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dazed&fallen

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PsyOps said:
I haven't quite defined what you are (in the context of these religious discussions) yet, but whatever you are, you are a fundamenatlist at it.
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I think you may be confused as to what fundamentalism is or at least how I define it. Fundamentalism is narrow. It excludes other worldviews.

As a humanist, I'd rather look at the whole of humanity rather than quibble over details as they do in Bible studies.

I can entertain different ideas without buying into them completely.
 
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dazed&fallen

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foodcritic said:
The first time I agreed with Gwydion........:killingme

Is'nt obvious that dazed&fallen is not a real name it's a mental/phyiscal condition that occured to the writer....:killingme
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It's not a real name!?! Really? I'll have to show you my birth certificate Jeez.

I was a student of comparative religion.

You may think the way is narrow, but try the wide angle lense. It's far out.
 
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PsyOps

Pixelated
dazed&fallen said:
I think you may be confused as to what fundamentalism is or at least how I define it. Fundamentalism is narrow. It excludes other worldviews.

As a humanist, I'd rather look at the whole of humanity rather than quibble over details as they do in Bible studies.

I can entertain different ideas without buying into them completely.
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I know exactly what you're talking about regarding fundamental beliefs in the Bible. Your belief that the bible is fallible and therefore faulty, is exclusionary and slimly falls in line with a fundamental belief.

I haven’t quite figured out if you dismiss the Bible as valid as a whole or just the literal belief of it. So, until then I intend to just screw with your head.
 
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dazed&fallen

fine artist
PsyOps said:
I know exactly what you're talking about regarding fundamental beliefs in the Bible. Your belief that the bible is fallible and therefore faulty, is exclusionary and slimly falls in line with a fundamental belief.

I haven’t quite figured out if you dismiss the Bible as valid as a whole or just the literal belief of it. So, until then I intend to just screw with your head.
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No it does not. I'm sorry. The "I'm rubber you're glue" argument doesn't work here sorry.

Believe whatever you want. That doesn't make it logical and consistent.
 
PsyOps

PsyOps

Pixelated
dazed&fallen said:
No it does not. I'm sorry. The "I'm rubber you're glue" argument doesn't work here sorry.

Believe whatever you want. That doesn't make it logical and consistent.
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You're being dismissive, so let's be direct. Where do you stand on the Bible? Is it the valid Word of God Yahweh or is it a book of fiction?
 
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dazed&fallen

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PsyOps said:
You're being dismissive, so let's be direct. Where do you stand on the Bible? Is it the valid Word of God Yahweh or is it a book of fiction?
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The Bible is a collection of myths, friend. Myths give meaning to our lives but It's a tall order to ask a grown man to take them literally.
 
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dazed&fallen said:
The Bible is a collection of myths, friend. Myths give meaning to our lives. It's a tall order to ask a grown man to take them literally.
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You're tanking a lot of grown men. Billions of them. It's an even taller order expounding endlessly, as to the myth, to a bunch of people you know will never change their minds.
 
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dazed&fallen

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PsyOps said:
You're tanking a lot of grown men. Billions of them. It's an even taller order expounding endlessly, as to the myth, to a bunch of people you know will never change their minds.
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They have sacrificed their intellects for comfort. There's nothing wrong with that, It's a very human thing to do. It's like drinking beers.

However this sort of view doesn't stand up to any sort of empirical criticism. Logic and rationality are what the world needs right now, not more religious zealots.
 
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Gwydion

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dazed&fallen said:
The Bible is a collection of myths, friend. Myths give meaning to our lives but It's a tall order to ask a grown man to take them literally.
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I take literally the fact that Jesus was a man born roughly 2000 years ago that had a following of people that loved him and his sermons. I believe he was crucified and buried for his beliefs and upon his death many people truly believed he was the son of god. I believe that these people had their lives touched, just as many hundreds of thousands of people in the world do now, by the words and actions presented in the bible about his teachings.

I believe that the Bible -is- a godly text, one that can bring happiness and joy to millions of people that do believe it literally. I believe that each person should have their choice as to what they believe in and I am not one to deny people their beliefs.

It is not a tall order to ask a man to believe in the bible. It is a tall order to ask YOURSELF if you believe in the bible.
 
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Gwydion

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dazed&fallen said:
They have sacrificed their intellects for comfort. There's nothing wrong with that, It's a very human thing to do. It's like drinking beers.

However this sort of view doesn't stand up to any sort of empirical criticism. Logic and rationality are what the world needs right now, not more religious zealots.
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Why do you feel the need to empricially criticize the belief? Yes, religious fanatics are harming the society, but the people that believe in their respected religions and assume responsibility for both their souls and persons are not endangering anybody.
 
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dazed&fallen

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Gwydion said:
I take literally the fact that Jesus was a man born roughly 2000 years ago that had a following of people that loved him and his sermons. I believe he was crucified and buried for his beliefs and upon his death many people truly believed he was the son of god. I believe that these people had their lives touched, just as many hundreds of thousands of people in the world do now, by the words and actions presented in the bible about his teachings.

I believe that the Bible -is- a godly text, one that can bring happiness and joy to millions of people that do believe it literally. I believe that each person should have their choice as to what they believe in and I am not one to deny people their beliefs.

It is not a tall order to ask a man to believe in the bible. It is a tall order to ask YOURSELF if you believe in the bible.
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If you say so friend.
 
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dazed&fallen

fine artist
Gwydion said:
Why do you feel the need to empricially criticize the belief? Yes, religious fanatics are harming the society, but the people that believe in their respected religions and assume responsibility for both their souls and persons are not endangering anybody.
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People do very bad things with only the best intentions. That's the problem with sacrificing your intellect. Emo bashing for instance.
 
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dazed&fallen

fine artist
Gwydion said:
I take literally the fact that Jesus was a man born roughly 2000 years ago that had a following of people that loved him and his sermons. I believe he was crucified and buried for his beliefs and upon his death many people truly believed he was the son of god. I believe that these people had their lives touched, just as many hundreds of thousands of people in the world do now, by the words and actions presented in the bible about his teachings.

I believe that the Bible -is- a godly text, one that can bring happiness and joy to millions of people that do believe it literally. I believe that each person should have their choice as to what they believe in and I am not one to deny people their beliefs.

It is not a tall order to ask a man to believe in the bible. It is a tall order to ask YOURSELF if you believe in the bible.
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Remember that the gospels were written 40 years after Christ came and went. It's hard to get an accurate picture of what occured 40 days after something happens.

Only two of the 4 writers were original. I don't want to use the word "tall tale" but I think it may be appropriate in this case.
 
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