An open apology

[dazed&fallen]

Cause and effect is not mathematical. Not when it comes down to karma.

So, I am demanding evidence that karma, your belief, is real.

You can postulate something without believing it. That's what Plato was all about, if you read Plato.

 

[PsyOps]

You like that didactic, don't you?

You like the word "didcatic" don't you?

 

[dazed&fallen]

You like the word "didcatic" don't you?

When I find it fitting.

 

[Gwydion]

You can postulate something without believing it. That's what Plato was all about, if you read Plato.

Nope, I was busy in college working on a real degree.

And you said, clearly, that you believe in karma. That wasnt a postulation. It was a belief.

So, once again, explain.

 

[dazed&fallen]

Nope, I was busy in college working on a real degree.

And you said, clearly, that you believe in karma. That wasnt a postulation. It was a belief.

So, once again, explain.

I don't want to make a semantic argument out of the word belief. Do you?

 

[Gwydion]

I don't want to make a semantic argument out of the word belief. Do you?

Clearly, after all of these useless threads you've created you do. So yes. After having discussions of people that believe in things that are not exactly rational, you have said you believe in something that is irrational.

Its just, I don't understand how anything you have said this entire time has any weight now that we all know you are just another christian, except your "god" is an idealogy that somehow what you do in life has an effect on what you recieve.

 

[PsyOps]

I won't argue to the death about the validity of these texts. My rational mind tells me that I have to have some sort of gameplan in this life to keep me out of trouble. The world is changing, morality is changing. I am able to use my mind to make good decisions on these new issues without dogma.

Morality is changing? That's interesting... the basic tenets of Christian faith are the 10 Commandments. That is the moral base for our faith. Tell me one Commandment, from a moral standpoint that has changed.

 

[dazed&fallen]

Clearly, after all of these useless threads you've created you do. So yes. After having discussions of people that believe in things that are not exactly rational, you have said you believe in something that is irrational.

Its just, I don't understand how anything you have said this entire time has any weight now that we all know you are just another christian, except your "god" is an idealogy that somehow what you do in life has an effect on what you recieve.

My "God" does not demand faith as a prerequisite to his understanding.

 

[dazed&fallen]

Morality is changing? That's interesting... the basic tenets of Christian faith are the 10 Commandments. That is the moral base for our faith. Tell me one Commandment, from a moral standpoint that has changed.

It's different then it was in Levitical Law. Trust me babe. We eat shellfish and we can dress how we like. I was referring to gender roles which are weakening in case you haven't noticed.

 

[Gwydion]

My "God" does not demand faith as a prerequisite to his understanding.

Nor does the christian's god. I understand him perfectly well without faith.

Irrationality....

 

[Gwydion]

It's different then it was in Levitical Law. Trust me babe. We eat shellfish and we can dress how we like. I was referring to gender roles which are weakening in case you haven't noticed.

Nice.

 

[dazed&fallen]

Nor does the christian's god. I understand him perfectly well without faith.

Irrationality....

Then how can you believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God?

 

[dazed&fallen]

Nice.

Proves what? I said weakening, not demolished. I speak how I like. That's the virtue of free enterprise.

 

[Gwydion]

Then how can you believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God?

I don't. But thats not what you said.

And what religion are you that you have a god?

 

[dazed&fallen]

I don't. But thats not what you said.

And what religion are you that you have a god?

God is not an image. No image lives up to God. God is nature, God is spirit.

God is like the force, in us and all around us. (s)he cannot be contained to a particular set of codes and dogma.

 

[Gwydion]

God is not an image. No image lives up to God. God is nature, God is spirit.

God is like the force, in us and all around us. (s)he cannot be contained to a particular set of codes and dogma.

So how is that rational?

 

[dazed&fallen]

So how is that rational?

God cannot be understood rationally. Sometimes I feel God in the form of synchronicity. That is all the evidence I need.

I don't need a church

I don't need a Bible

And I sure as hell don't need a religious forum.

 

[PsyOps]

Believe in bold letters. Like that makes it stronger. I believe in things I find evidence for.

Cause and Effect is practically mathematical.

In this world you must demand evidence otherwise people will rob you blind.

You just proved my early point right here. You are trying to apply a rational argument against something that is not rational on the premise of physical evidence. If you are demanding physical evidence for God then you are right... God does not exist. You're looking in the wrong place.

You believe in Karma. How is it that Karma works? I know you claim it can be explained through math... but how is it that these causes and their effects happen in the way they do? Why is it the sun can emit so much energy and heat to keep this planet in a perfect temperature to maintain life? You can give me all the math you want to explain it, but it does not truly explain why. The math only satisfies your demand for a physical answer, but it does not truly explain why. Why when you throw a rock in the water it makes a splash? Sure you can go into all sorts of scientific explanations as to what’s happening, but that science does not explain why.

At a certain point in our understanding, we just accept that this is how our physical world operates. It’s not different with a Christian’s faith. The only difference is we don’t need all sorts of math to explain it to us. We accept that life is a result of an intelligent being we like to call God.

 

[PsyOps]

God cannot be understood rationally. Sometimes I feel God in the form of synchronicity. That is all the evidence I need.

I don't need a church

I don't need a Bible

And I sure as hell don't need a religious forum.

But seem to need a religious forum to rant on about how God doesn't exist. Sort of an oxymoron don't you think?

 

[Gwydion]

God cannot be understood rationally. Sometimes I feel God in the form of synchronicity. That is all the evidence I need.

I don't need a church

I don't need a Bible

And I sure as hell don't need a religious forum.

Wait, what? Circular logic again. You believe in an irrational God. So who cares if people, that believe in the same god as you, decide to go to church and read the bible?

And if you don't need a religious forum, I am more than certain nobody here will miss you when you leave.