AOC - SAYS U.S. IS 'RUNNING CONCENTRATION CAMPS ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER'

Sapidus

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I am not seeing where Melania was WEARING that coat at ANY Detonation Facility

You are in fact lying and making assumptions again ... she wore the coat getting on to AF One ..... got off in Texas WEARING a Yellow Coat and was seen getting back off of AF One back in DC With the same coat


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First lady Melania Trump at Andrews Air Force Base, Md., June 21, 2018, on her way to Texas to visit the U.S.-Mexico border. (Photo: Andrew Harnik/ AP)


At the Meetings in McAllen Tx :sshrug: where is the jacket ?

melania trump


Again Why must i educate you?

Read the article idiot

"She spent about 75 minutes at the shelter, interacting with dozens of kids in three classrooms. Under the media ground rules, no audio or photos of these interactions were permitted. "
 

This_person

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He didnt chose americans over illegal aliens It wasn't an either or. No americans are dying only immigrant. We are one of the richest nations in the country. We can easily afford to provide humane conditions to immigrants illegal or asylum seekers.

As many US citizens have died at the border due to the conditions in the detention centers as detainees DUE TO THE CONDITIONS AT THE DETENTION CENTERS. We've gone over this, the number for both is ZERO.

So, we're rich. Today, right now, with the laws being what they currently are, where does the money come from? The appropriations bill gives the president $X to fund the detention centers so the money has to illegally come from somewhere else. Clearly, that is your position today, to give soap and hot water and magically create bigger facilities in a day's notice, the money must come from somewhere. What are you going to NOT fund, taking the money illegally to afford those things?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Again Why must i educate you?

You are not providing ANY Information ... only assumptions and conjecture

YOU are ASSUMING because she was photographed getting on Air Force One wearing that jacket ... she went to the Meetings in McAllen TX wearing that Jacket ... It was stated Melania was NOT wearing the Jacket during the visit

so we have YOUR Assumptions vs a Press Release

Read the article idiot

"She spent about 75 minutes at the shelter, interacting with dozens of kids in three classrooms.

I posted a picture from the meeting she had ...... she is NOT wearing that coat

Under the media ground rules, no audio or photos of these interactions were permitted. "



Lying as usual


 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
As many US citizens have died at the border due to the conditions in the detention centers as detainees DUE TO THE CONDITIONS AT THE DETENTION CENTERS. We've gone over this, the number for both is ZERO.

So, we're rich. Today, right now, with the laws being what they currently are, where does the money come from? The appropriations bill gives the president $X to fund the detention centers so the money has to illegally come from somewhere else. Clearly, that is your position today, to give soap and hot water and magically create bigger facilities in a day's notice, the money must come from somewhere. What are you going to NOT fund, taking the money illegally to afford those things?


Yet another disingenuous argument from you.

Was the Obama administration magically able to cure children who arrived dying as you assume these children must have? Why have 8 children died in 2 years vs 0 in 8 years if nothing has changed?


How about the over $100 million Trump has spent golfing for a start. Seems like pretty easy solution considering he said he would be too busy to golf he won't miss the funding
 

MiddleGround

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My solution would be to do what he claimed to be best at and actually sit down and negotiate a budget solution with the understanding that both sides will have to give up something to the other side and that both sides will gain something.

Read up on your responsibilities of government positions....

As the head of the executive branch, Trump's first and foremost responsibility is to enforce the laws of the land! Period! These "asylum seekers" as you like to call them (most of us call them illegals) are BREAKING THE LAW OF THE LAND! Period!! Hence why they are called ILLEGAL aliens. How can you not understand this?

No matter what crybaby plight you throw on the table, these people are breaking the law of the land and thus, Trump is upholding and enforcing the law. No amount of crying or excuses can change that.
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
You are not providing ANY Information ... only assumptions and conjecture

YOU are ASSUMING because she was photographed getting on Air Force One wearing that jacket ... she went to the Meetings in McAllen TX wearing that Jacket ... It was stated Melania was NOT wearing the Jacket during the visit

so we have YOUR Assumptions vs a Press Release



I posted a picture from the meeting she had ...... she is NOT wearing that coat

Do you normally wear a full length jacket in Texas indoors? Seems pretty weird. That photo was also not taken t the detention center. So both of your arguments hold no water. as usual.

How convenient for you .....
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
Read up on your responsibilities of government positions....

As the head of the executive branch, Trump's first and foremost responsibility is to enforce the laws of the land! Period! These "asylum seekers" as you like to call them (most of us call them illegals) are BREAKING THE LAW OF THE LAND! Period!! Hence why they are called ILLEGAL aliens. How can you not understand this?

No matter what crybaby plight you throw on the table, these people are breaking the law of the land and thus, Trump is upholding and enforcing the law. No amount of crying or excuses can change that.


Feel freer to read up on Asylum seekers. You will see they are breaking no laws.

However even if they were depriving children of basic hygiene, sleep and blankets is inhumane.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Why have 8 children died in 2 years vs 0 in 8 years if nothing has changed?

More children are making the journey who are sick

one had a heart condition another a brain tumor




How about the over $100 million Trump has spent golfing for a start. Seems like pretty easy solution considering he said he would be too busy to golf he won't miss the funding


Nice Strawman ....
 

MiddleGround

Well-Known Member
However even if they were depriving children of basic hygiene, sleep and blankets is inhumane.

Feel free to quote the laws of the US that state we are responsible for providing basic hygiene, sleep, and blankets for every child in the world that comes crawling to our borders and I will be more than happy to agree with you :yay:

The basic problem with mouth breathers like you and other libtards is that you think the US Constitution and it's protections/advantages extends around the entire planet. What you do not seem to understand is that is simply not the case.
 
It's really weird seeing only half of a conversation. But the very interesting thing.... the part of the conversation that's missing is all libtards. There isn't a single comment I see that I can't get behind in one respect or another.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Do you normally wear a full length jacket in Texas indoors?

Seems pretty weird.

with nothing to back up you assertion, or in fact being called out as lair, you now switch to off handed comments about wearing coats in doors


That photo was also not taken t the detention center. So both of your arguments hold no water. as usual.


an no you are Again Lying or just wrong


First Lady Melania Trump Visits Border Detention Facility In Texas


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First lady Melania Trump walks through the Upbring New Hope Children's Center in McAllen, Texas, Thursday after a roundtable discussion with doctors and social workers there. The facility is operated by Lutheran Social Services of the South.
Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Yet another disingenuous argument from you.

Was the Obama administration magically able to cure children who arrived dying as you assume these children must have? Why have 8 children died in 2 years vs 0 in 8 years if nothing has changed?

Tell you what, I'll show you that 18 - EIGHT-****ING-TEEN - died during Obama's watch where "subpar care contributed to at least seven of the deaths," - ****ING SEVEN. So, I've got seven specifically due to the care received under Obama. Show me one, just one, where the conditions of the detention center caused the deaths during Trump's tenure.

(Washington, DC) – Newly released United States government records summarizing investigations of the deaths of 18 migrants in the custody of US immigration authorities support a conclusion that subpar care contributed to at least seven of the deaths, Human Rights Watch said today.

The death reviews, from mid-2012 to mid-2015, reveal substandard medical care and violations of applicable detention standards. Two independent medical experts consulted by Human Rights Watch concluded that these failures probably contributed to the deaths of 7 of the 18 detainees, while potentially putting many other detainees in danger as well. The records also show evidence of the misuse of isolation for people with mental disabilities, inadequate mental health evaluation and treatment, and broader medical care failures.

“In 2009, the Obama administration promised major immigration detention reforms, including more centralized oversight and improved health care,” said Clara Long, US researcher at Human Rights Watch. “But these death reviews show that system-wide problems remain, including a failure to prevent or fix substandard medical care that literally kills people.”

Talk about "disingenuous argument", for goodness sake. Are you really that unaware?

Did you come up with where Trump should illegally pull funds, by the way?
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
with nothing to back up you assertion, or in fact being called out as lair, you now switch to off handed comments about wearing coats in doors





an no you are Again Lying or just wrong


First Lady Melania Trump Visits Border Detention Facility In Texas


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First lady Melania Trump walks through the Upbring New Hope Children's Center in McAllen, Texas, Thursday after a roundtable discussion with doctors and social workers there. The facility is operated by Lutheran Social Services of the South.
Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images


That is not the detention center moron.

As I previously showed you no photos were allowed at the detention center. She visited two different locations.


WHY CAN"T YOU READ?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
That is not the detention center moron.


Prove it .... I'm going by the NEWS Story NOT your assumptions and lies

npr.org/2018/06/21/622250753/first-lady-melania-trump-makes-trip-to-visit-border-detention-facilities


Her first visit, according to the White House pool reporters traveling with the first lady, was to Upbring New Hope Children's Shelter and lasted about 75 minutes.

The shelter is a Health and Human Services Department grantee facility run by Lutheran Social Services of the South, and it's part of a network of 32 state-licensed facilities in Texas, according to the Center for Investigative Reporting. CIR says the center had 12 health and safety violations over the past three years.

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Her second scheduled stop, at the Ursula Border Patrol Processing Center, a Customs and Border Protection intake center, was canceled because of flooding in McAllen. A Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News that the Ursula facility was the "epicenter" of the Trump administration's policy that separated more than 2,000 kids from their parents over the past few months.


Oh Wait ...... she NEVER made it to the intake center so again YOU ARE WRONG OR LYING.
 
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