Are you an Atheist or Agnostic?

[Marie]

If so give Todd a call @ 1-877-LAW-GRACE between 3 and 5 Eastern

He will stop everything on the radio show just to talk to you. Dont worry he will treat you with respect.

Also if you haven’t been born again, and have questions or you aren’t sure of your salvation they welcome an opportunity to chat with you.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Atheist here, but I won't call. The last time I spoke on the radio by phone I stammered and lost my train of thought and so I don't think I come off too well on the air.

 

[Marie]

Atheist here, but I won't call. The last time I spoke on the radio by phone I stammered and lost my train of thought and so I don't think I come off too well on the air.

I am sure he would probably talk to you off line before the show, maybe call in a half hour early like 2:30 or right after the show at 5.00.

 

[Beelzebaby666]

Is this spam?

 

[MLGTS08]

If so give Todd a call @ 1-877-LAW-GRACE between 3 and 5 Eastern

He will stop everything on the radio show just to talk to you. Dont worry he will treat you with respect.

Also if you haven’t been born again, and have questions or you aren’t sure of your salvation they welcome an opportunity to chat with you.

Why should we call him? Will he try to convert us?

 

[migtig]

Why atheist and agnostic people only? Or are all non-Christians lumped together?

 

[bcp]

Why atheist and agnostic people only? Or are all non-Christians lumped together?

yes.

just like all Christians are lumped together. same basic theory... even though some christians seem to "love" the little children in a different fashion that I would have considered proper.

 

[aps45819]

If so give Todd a call @ 1-877-LAW-GRACE between 3 and 5 Eastern.

WTF is Tod?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

If so give Todd a call @ 1-877-LAW-GRACE between 3 and 5 Eastern

He will stop everything on the radio show just to talk to you. Dont worry he will treat you with respect.

Also if you haven’t been born again, and have questions or you aren’t sure of your salvation they welcome an opportunity to chat with you.

Are they giving up their beliefs and want advice? Well if so, this is the place.

 

[aps45819]

Are they giving up their beliefs and want advice?

Is Atheism a belief or lack of belief?

 

[Larry Gude]

It is...

Is Atheism a belief or lack of belief?

...the belief that you don't believe. Which makes it agnosticism.

 

[Toxick]

Is Atheism a belief or lack of belief?

I've always considered atheism to be a belief. It is an active belief in the lack of a God.



And I've always thought Agnostics were simply atheists who are unwilling to commit.

 

[Larry Gude]

Nope...

I've always considered atheism to be a belief. It is an active belief in the lack of a God.



And I've always thought Agnostics were simply atheists who are unwilling to commit.

...Atheists and theists will tell you the same thing; they KNOW they're right. Agnostics, those who aren't sure, are the only ones who know what they're talking about; they don't KNOW. Faith either in a God or that there is not. By definition, we are ALL agnostics. We can't know. It's faith.

So, agnostics are the only ones willing to say so.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Is Atheism a belief or lack of belief?

There are varying degrees in teh definition of atheism, but one major one is that there is a lack of religious belief.

 

[Novus Collectus]

...Atheists and theists will tell you the same thing; they KNOW they're right. Agnostics, those who aren't sure, are the only ones who know what they're talking about; they don't KNOW. Faith either in a God or that there is not. By definition, we are ALL agnostics. We can't know. It's faith.

So, agnostics are the only ones willing to say so.

You are so wrong.
I know of both theists and atheists which question their view of reality. That is what makes some atheists atheists, and some theists theists. The questioning of reality and the realization there may be an alternate view possible is what leads to a strengthenning of ones position.
What is faith is to have a blind trust in lack of evidence and that is what theists have which for them is an asset because it shows true devotion to have such faith despite this.
Atheists have no faith because their point of view is that nothing is certain and if there is no evidence that something exists, then the certainty that it does is unlikely and so many atheists trust the most likely which is what the best evidence at hand exhibits. By the atheist questioning all reality to some degree it allows for a stronger position because they know they have allowed other possibilities that may counter their logic or preliminary conclusions.

There is some crossover in the definition of agnostic and atheist because one can claim that an atheist that realizes there is that one in a billion chance that one of the billion possible alternate realities where there is a god or gods, then they are really an agnostic. But the definition of agnostic usually means they are ambiguous from the start about the existence of a god or god or higher existence and are kinda fence sitters waiting for some sign or evidence either way.

 

[Larry Gude]

Wouldn't that make...

You are so wrong.
I know of both theists and atheists which question their view of reality.

...them agnostics?

Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of skepticism.

 

[Toxick]

...Atheists and theists will tell you the same thing; they KNOW they're right. Agnostics, those who aren't sure, are the only ones who know what they're talking about;

The original question wasn't about what people know. It's about belief.

Is atheism a belief, or lack thereof? I am asserting that Atheism is a belief. It is a belief in nothing.

 

[Novus Collectus]

...them agnostics?

Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of skepticism.

Because there is a crossover in the definition of atheism with basic categories divided into implicit and explicit atheism, it is technically possible to claim that even some explicit atheists are agnostics because they leave the possibility that there is the one in a trillion trillion chance they are wrong in their assertation there is most likely no god, the agnostic will say there is a possibility greater than that and has not asserted the understanding there is the likelyhood there is or is no god either way.
There is a major difference and let me elaborate. What is commonly referred to as an agnostic (which can sometimes be referred to as an atheist) is someone who says they have not decided if there is a god, gods or higher existence because they see no evidence either way and prescribe to neither. Sometimes they are indifferent about the issue.
An explicit atheist which allows for the ultra remote possibility there is a god, gods or higher existence will dismiss for all practical purposes the possibility of their existence and will only consider it possible on the same likelyhood the atheist themself is god, or that there is a purple penguin god. The explicit atheist commonly trusts the most likely which to them (us) is the non-existence of gods or higher existence and will assert that is the most likely, but yet still understand there is a possibility I am the only god and this world I experience is my own creation.

 

[Larry Gude]

Atheists...

The original question wasn't about what people know. It's about belief.

Is atheism a belief, or lack thereof? I am asserting that Atheism is a belief. It is a belief in nothing.

...tend to present their beliefs in the same mater of fact manner one would present a belief in 1+1 = 2

One apple plus one apple is two apples.

If you can't see or talk to or touch God, which you can't, he does not exist.

Theists, on the other hand, present their 'beliefs' in the exact same manner; you CAN see and talk to and touch God, therefore, he exists.

Agnostics allow for some room. I can't see God, but that guy says he can. Maybe I am missing something and there is a God, but I am not going to go so far as to accept that he actually sees God. I believe he believes he does, but that does not make it so; only belief.

I don't think it is a semantic argument given the professed certainty of those who claim faith and un-faith. As a simple matter of 1+1=2 fact they don't know. They can't know. Which is why it is faith. My point is an agnostic acknowledges that fact while the other two sides look down upon one another which, to an agnostic, is hilarious, given the debate.

 

[Novus Collectus]

The original question wasn't about what people know. It's about belief.

Is atheism a belief, or lack thereof? I am asserting that Atheism is a belief. It is a belief in nothing.

Athiests don't have a faith, we have a trust in the most likely possibility based on the evidence and logic at hand. To have faith or a "belief", one does not need material evidence or even logic.