Article: "Lying in Islam"

[Starman3000m]

Lying in Islam
By Abdullah Al Araby

(Excerpt)

“Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.

In the sphere of international politics, the question is: Can Muslim countries be trusted to keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations? It is a known Islamic practice, that when Muslims are weak they can agree with most anything. Once they become strong, then they negate what they formerly vowed.

The principle of sanctioning lying for the cause of Islam bears grave implications in matters relating to the spread of the religion of Islam in the West. Muslim activists employ deceptive tactics in their attempts to polish Islam's image and make it more attractive to prospective converts. They carefully try to avoid, obscure, and omit mentioning any of the negative Islamic texts and teachings.

An example of Islamic deception is that Muslim activists always quote the passages of the Quran from the early part of Mohammed's ministry while living in Mecca. These texts are peaceful and exemplify tolerance towards those that are not followers of Islam. All the while, they are fully aware that most of these passages were abrogated (cancelled and replaced) by passages that came after he migrated to Medina. The replacement verses reflect prejudice, intolerance, and endorse violence upon unbelievers

In conclusion, it is imperative to understand, that Muslim leaders can use this loop-hole in their religion, to absolve them from any permanent commitment. It is also important to know that what Muslim activists say to spread Islam may not always be the whole truth. When dealing with Muslims, what they say is not the issue. The real issue is, what they actually mean in their hearts.”

Complete article at: http://www.islamreview.com/
At directory, scroll down to article “Lying in Islam” by Abdullah Al Araby

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[Mikeinsmd]

Who wants to hear what I think??

 

[Lugnut]

Who wants to hear what I think??

I do! It makes me giggle.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I do! It makes me giggle.

Psssttt.... Aren't you a guy? Guys should never giggle.

But I will give ya a good one....


1st - Soak em in pig blood

2.

KILL EM ALL!!

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

Lying in Islam
By Abdullah Al Araby

Complete article at: http://www.islamreview.com/
At directory, scroll down to article “Lying in Islam” by Abdullah Al Araby

More Research: http://www.Starman3000.com

All people are subject to lying at some point, it takes great effort from those of us that do try to be truthful.

So Islam does not teach muslims to lie, it certainly is not said in the Holy Quran.

But we have the big American Christian throwing out lies here,

like he says we are winning the war in Iraq, he says we do not torture prisoners in the secret CIA prisons, and many other lies,

I like where he said Iraq was a holy crusade but his advisers said that "crusades" stirs up more anger so the big American Christian stopped using that term for his holy war.

Of course the Christian Bible like the Quran does not teach that lying is permisible either.

Some people just lie anyway as it takes much effort to really be honest.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

You are a big American dum dum

My book "Private Parts" by Howard Stern is holier than the qowardan.

 

[Starman3000m]

All people are subject to lying at some point, it takes great effort from those of us that do try to be truthful.

So Islam does not teach muslims to lie, it certainly is not said in the Holy Quran...

Hmmm... let's see what Islam really teaches:

Islamic Book of Prohibitions and Conduct: Chapter 261
Falsehood that is Permissible

The learned compiler of this book has put forth some arguments to prove that it is lawful to tell a lie under the stress of circumstances. An example of this is the case of a Muslim who hides himself or his money from a tyrant who is bent on killing him or taking his money from him. If one knows the whereabouts of this Muslim or his money and is asked about it, it is permissible to lie in this case to save a Muslim's life or his property, but it is better to give an equivocal answer, that is one which is not clear or definite in meaning, and that can be interpreted in more than one way in order to shun lying altogether. The sum and substance of discussion has been derived from the narration ascribed to Umm Kulthum (May Allah be pleased with her). She said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "A liar is not the one who tries
to bring about a reconciliation between the people and speaks good to avert dispute or to convey good.'' [Al-Bukhari].

It may be concluded that falsehood is permissible in the following three cases:

(i) While fighting Jihad in the Cause of Allah.

(ii) To conciliate between people.

(iii) For the husband to please his wife and the wife to please her husband.

Source: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/book17.htm

Yes indeed. It is permissible for Muslims to lie in order to have an advantage in advancing their cause of Islam! However, here are three examples of present-day Muslims who have no problem speaking the truth of what they really believe in:

Muslim cleric values life???
Reuters 4/18/2004

"It's inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon's Publica magazine from London where he is based.
He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers! And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity!."
---------------------------------------
Ibrahim Hooper
AP - 6/11/2004
CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) Spokesperson

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like
the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in
the future. ...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."
--------------------------------------
Omar Ahmad
5/16/2004
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6473

More Research
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[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

Hmmm... let's see what Islam really teaches:

Islamic Book of Prohibitions and Conduct: Chapter 261
Falsehood that is Permissible

The learned compiler of this book has put forth some arguments to prove that it is lawful to tell a lie under the stress of circumstances. An example of this is the case of a Muslim who hides himself or his money from a tyrant who is bent on killing him or taking his money from him. If one knows the whereabouts of this Muslim or his money and is asked about it, it is permissible to lie in this case to save a Muslim's life or his property, but it is better to give an equivocal answer, that is one which is not clear or definite in meaning, and that can be interpreted in more than one way in order to shun lying altogether. The sum and substance of discussion has been derived from the narration ascribed to Umm Kulthum (May Allah be pleased with her). She said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "A liar is not the one who tries
to bring about a reconciliation between the people and speaks good to avert dispute or to convey good.'' [Al-Bukhari].

It may be concluded that falsehood is permissible in the following three cases:

(i) While fighting Jihad in the Cause of Allah.

(ii) To conciliate between people.

(iii) For the husband to please his wife and the wife to please her husband.

Source: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/book17.htm

Yes indeed. It is permissible for Muslims to lie in order to have an advantage in advancing their cause of Islam! However, here are three examples of present-day Muslims who have no problem speaking the truth of what they really believe in:

Muslim cleric values life???
Reuters 4/18/2004

"It's inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon's Publica magazine from London where he is based.
He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers! And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity!."
---------------------------------------
Ibrahim Hooper
AP - 6/11/2004
CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) Spokesperson

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like
the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in
the future. ...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."
--------------------------------------
Omar Ahmad
5/16/2004
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6473

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I am not sure of your point in this post,

but I think that speaks very well of the Muslims and of Islam too.

It gives very few and strict rules for some small lies in tight situations and still it says to try not to lie if possible.

That is not the Holy Quran but just some high ranking Imans (religious leaders) giving their opinions, so Islam is a strict and hard religion.

In Christianity one only has to confess to a Priest once a month about a month of lies and they get forgiven, or Protestants can lie and just secretly say sorry to God and it does not matter how many lies or how big the lies are.

Compared to Christianity - Islam is tough.

 

[czygvtwkr]

So a small lie is "no we are not trying to blow you up, this C4 is for getting a stump out in my back yard" as well as "no honey Im not cheating on you"

Those are two of the three ok "little fibs" allowed.

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and personal responsibility.

So a small lie is "no we are not trying to blow you up, this C4 is for getting a stump out in my back yard"

That as a war time lie would probably fit the criteria given,

it is very small compared to the Christian saying that we do not torture Muslim prisoners in the secret CIA prisons.

So I would say the first lie by the soldier is as a tactic for a one time battle event,

but that second USA lie is a lie about a secret policy which is a war crime and a crime against humanity.

So the first is a little lie while the second is a big huge dirty lie about criminal action, and I would call that a big difference indeed.

as well as "no honey Im not cheating on you"

Those are two of the three ok "little fibs" allowed.

That is putting an American perspective on that lie,

because the Iman said a lie only to make peace in the family and not to cover up sin.

In Islam adultery can get both the man and the woman killed,

but in the USA the adultery is seen as a little lie because there is no crime nor punishment for adultery in the USA.

We have adultery celebrities here like Monica Lewinsky and Jerry Sienfield and others that brag and profit from their sins - but no crime.

So that would be an appropriate lie in American standards but not for Muslims.

 

[Starman3000m]

Compared to Christianity - Islam is tough.

Indeed. Here are some tough obligations that Muslims are required to abide by:

(Muslims threatened with punishment by Allah if they do not fight their Jihad against non-Muslims)

“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” (Qur’an:008.039)

“Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.”
(Qur’an:009.039)

“Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.”
(Qur’an:009.041)

Any wonder why fundamental Islamic groups have no qualms in carrying out suicide bombings as they believe they are doing the will of their god?

Don't forget their promised "rewards"

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires;
Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;"
(Qur'an: 078.031 - 078.033)

"The Prophet said, 'The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr).'"
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35: Narrated Abu Huraira)

"Our Prophet has informed us our Lord's Message that whoever of us is martyred, will go to Paradise. (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 93, Number 621" (Narrated Al-Mughira)

Hmmm...

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

Indeed. Here are some tough obligations that Muslims are required to abide by:

(Muslims threatened with punishment by Allah if they do not fight their Jihad against non-Muslims)

“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” (Qur’an:008.039)

“Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.”
(Qur’an:009.039)

“Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.”
(Qur’an:009.041)

Any wonder why fundamental Islamic groups have no qualms in carrying out suicide bombings as they believe they are doing the will of their god?

Don't forget their promised "rewards"

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires;
Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;"
(Qur'an: 078.031 - 078.033)

"The Prophet said, 'The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr).'"
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35: Narrated Abu Huraira)

"Our Prophet has informed us our Lord's Message that whoever of us is martyred, will go to Paradise. (Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 93, Number 621" (Narrated Al-Mughira)

Hmmm...

All Countries and all religions have their own style scripts to put the population into fighting the wars.

The USA has its Priest, Chaplains, Rabbis, Ministers, and more with their separate reasonings for killing our fellow man in war.

The Muslim war rituals are not superior nor inferior to the rest of the world.

The Christians like to mis-represent this text John 15:12-14 saying that means American soldiers go to Heaven if they die in war,

but that text does not mean that at all. It says to love and not to kill and be killed. The text refers like to marriage where the couple lay down their lives to each other by staying married for life, not by some one time dying as a war hero.

Jesus preached non-violence but Christianity does not.

Plus I see that the Quran and the Prophet Muhammed preached non-violence too. The Prophet used violence to bring peace and order to Arabia and then there was peace and order under the directions of Allah.

When the Islamic Ottomon Empire ruled over the Holy Lands then the Christians and Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace and safty under established laws for 200 years till 1917 when World War 1 gave rule away from the Muslims of Islam.

This is history and religion. The USA needs to seek peace with our Islamic bretheren.

 

[RadioPatrol]

SNIP

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You mean this:

taqiyya: Dissimulation; lying for the sake of ones religion; concealing ones true religious beliefs for strategic reasons. Taqiyya is a lie by commission, rather than by omission, as in kitman. The concept of al-taqiyya is one historically associated with Shia Islam. This is because Sunni Muslims, who believe that Shiites are heretics, would impel them to denounce their faith, thinking this would expose them as mushrikeen when they refused to. In response, the Shia would do so, but hold true to their faith in their hearts, thus preserving their faith and their lives. Taqiyya is now used by all Muslims as a means of deceiving infidels about Islam's aims, practices, and aspirations.

Clarity and Resolve Lexicon

Yeah people do not understand we in this for the planet .... not just Iraq

 

[RadioPatrol]

All people are subject to lying at some point, it takes great effort from those of us that do try to be truthful.

So Islam does not teach muslims to lie, it certainly is not said in the Holy Quran.

But we have the big American Christian throwing out lies here,

like he says we are winning the war in Iraq, he says we do not torture prisoners in the secret CIA prisons, and many other lies,

I like where he said Iraq was a holy crusade but his advisers said that "crusades" stirs up more anger so the big American Christian stopped using that term for his holy war.

Of course the Christian Bible like the Quran does not teach that lying is permisible either.

Some people just lie anyway as it takes much effort to really be honest.

and your an expert on Muslim and Islam, from your many years of avoiding paying child support and time you spent in Jail ?

and did you learn Arabic in this time, because reading the Koran in anything but the original Arabic is man's mere attempt at translating, and open to false hoods and interpretations ........ this why all Muslims must learn Arabic and study the Quran in its original languages

it is also why Muslims take issue with the bible it has been "imperfectly", in Muslim Imams / Scholars eyes it English, Greek, Aramaic, they even take issue with the Original Hebrew ...........

 

[Starman3000m]

You mean this:


Clarity and Resolve Lexicon

Yeah people do not understand we in this for the planet .... not just Iraq

Excellent glossary information, RadioPatrol; thanks for the link.

 

[Starman3000m]

The USA needs to seek peace with our Islamic bretheren.

The truth is: Unless you are a Muslim (or a recent convert to Islam) Muslims do not consider you their "bretheren" and they never will.

Attempting to seek "peace" with the fundamental Islamic ideology that is determined to literally wipe Israel off the map, weaken and conquer Western societies and establish a global theocracy governed by Shari'a Law will not be possible at this point in history. Fact is: Islam has vowed to wage Jihad against all non-Islamic societies until the end of the world because it is Muhammad's "command". Looks like we are in the final stages.
Now that is history and religion!

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have." (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 14, Number 2635, Narrated Anas ibn Malik)

Hmmm...sure sounds like Muhammad wanted to achieve World Conquest!

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

The truth is: Unless you are a Muslim (or a recent convert to Islam) Muslims do not consider you their "bretheren" and they never will.

Attempting to seek "peace" with the fundamental Islamic ideology that is determined to literally wipe Israel off the map, weaken and conquer Western societies and establish a global theocracy governed by Shari'a Law will not be possible at this point in history. Fact is: Islam has vowed to wage Jihad against all non-Islamic societies until the end of the world because it is Muhammad's "command". Looks like we are in the final stages.
Now that is history and religion!

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have." (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 14, Number 2635, Narrated Anas ibn Malik)

Hmmm...sure sounds like Muhammad wanted to achieve World Conquest!

I just do not see what you seem to be so afraid of.

The vast majority of the billion Muslims are honest peaceful people, they have criminals in their societies just like everybody else does too.

Even the idea of achieving world conquest is the ultimate ideal for every group of all kinds. The athiest want everybody to become athiest too, the Mennonites would love for everyone to convert to their way, the American Green Party would be happy to rule the world, even PETA would take over the whole world if they had the chance. The Cathoilcs, the Baptist, the Republicans, everybody wants world domination in one form or another. So there is no real sense in criticizing the Muslims for the same aspirations that all people have.

 

[Starman3000m]

So there is no real sense in criticizing the Muslims for the same aspirations that all people have.

Most people aspire to have the Freedom of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Fundamental Islam aspires to subjugate all women to second-class status, dissove the ability to choose Freedom of Religion, enslave followers to strict theocratic rule, prohibit followers from befriending non-Muslims, and deny one the ability to laugh, sing and downright have a sense of humor in this life. That's just for starters.

If you are serious about representing the United States, the American Citizenry and the U.S. Constitution that guarantees the Rights and Freedoms as so written, then you must understand that the Islam you perceive to be "peaceful" and unthreatening to this Nation is not peaceful and cannot and never will accept our society.

Fact is: Fundamental Islamists are "freedom-fighters," indeed! Among such things they are fighting are: Freedom of Speech; Freedom of Religion; Freedom of Women's Rights; Freedom of the Press; and Freedom to Disagree with their ideology.

It has only just begun:

Omar Ahmad
5/16/2004
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

- In a similar vein, CAIR board member Imam Siraj Wahaj calls for replacing the American government with a caliphate, and warns that America will crumble unless it "accepts the Islamic agenda."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6473

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

If you are serious about representing the United States, the American Citizenry and the U.S. Constitution that guarantees the Rights and Freedoms as so written, then you must understand that the Islam you perceive to be "peaceful" and unthreatening to this Nation is not peaceful and cannot and never will accept our society.

It is not necessary for others to accept our society, it is wrong for us to be pushing our society onto their Countries.

We are not better then they are and they are not lesser then we.

Even the Islamic terrorist (so-called) offer up conditions for peace like they want justice for Palestine and remove the military from Islamic Holy lands.

The USA under the Bush administration has no peace plan of any kind.

The Bush peace plan is only to win every war and to kill all the enemy.

Therefore they can not even give up because the USA has no peace plan of any realistic kind and Bush will kill or torture them if they surrender.

As the USA is now - it is the sinner.

 

[RadioPatrol]

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