Article: "Lying in Islam"

[This_person]

Starman3000m, You are stating facts, but JPC, Sr. ignores facts. He prefers his own miss interpretation of law, Bible, Qur'an, and virtually everything else. Fact means nothing to him unless it accidentally falls into his realm of belief. Convincing him with facts and logic is an exercise in futility.

Wasn't it nice of ol' Jimmy to prove you right with his very next post?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Interesting, so when you (or others) post how violent/terrible/wrong one religion is, and use their bible (little b on purpose) passages to make your point, pointing out similiar passages in the Christian bible is derogatory?

Or is it more likely, you wont admit that Christians can and have committed some of the similiar acts, using justifications they found in the Christian Bible.
Pointing out that one relgions radicals, who bastardized a bible doesnt make the entire relgion violent, UNLESS Christians are also going to be in the same boat, since Christian radicals have done the same thing.

You dont like it, because you take it as an affront against your beliefs, when its nothing more than pointing out hypocrisy.

You really don't bother to read anything that does not fit your agenda, do you.

I have stated several times that much has been done in the name of Christianity that was not Christian. Anyone can claim to be a Christian. God knows who is and who isn't. The world should know by how the person acts. Murder is not a Christian act; war may be. Theft is not a Christian act; sharing is; giving is. John the Baptist said:

Matthew 3:7-10

7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8"Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance;

9and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.

10"The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

The Crusades were both Christian and non-Christian. There were those that participated for the cause of freeing the Holy Land and there were those that participated for the spoils of war.

Are those that are termed Christian radicals really Christian? Some may be and some may. God will sort them out. The ones that are not will join those that do not accept Jesus and have hear of the grace of God and the gift of salvation in this life.

Matthew 7:21-23

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

So you can stop with your Christian bashing. We have all read your point of view.

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

The Crusades were both Christian and non-Christian. There were those that participated for the cause of freeing the Holy Land and there were those that participated for the spoils of war.

Look, 2A says there were Christians (as opposed to non-Christians) that waged war in the so-called Crusades, so 2A says the Christians were fighting a righteous war to free the Holy lands.

So he must consider the US 2nd amendment as a Christian right to kill people and to wage a Christian holy war.

But the Muslims that fight back are all heathen sinners deserving of their rightful deaths under the Christian arms - not.

I support the second amendment for citizens but not in the name of Christ.

 

[Starman3000m]

I see this as Bin Landen's doing and it is hard not to admire our opponent in such big accomplishments.

Bin has sent steady fear into the American heartland,

and this is our biggest threat - the fear - the terror,

now Bush and the USA has real enemies in our own homeland.

If the USA tries to comfront Islam then we will be putting 1.4 billion muslims under the rule of Bin Laden.

And it is done needlessly out of religious bigotry and mindless fear.

Actually, hatred against America and Western Civilization was rekindled in 1979 by Ayatollah R. Khomeini's movement in Iran. This was the re-emergence of fundamental Islam against all non-Islamic societies as commanded by Muhammad's teachings in the Qur'an and Ahadith.

BTW: America assisted and trained Bin Laden's group in Afghanistan's struggle against the Soviet Union before he turned against the United States, however, his ideology was never pro-Western.

Also, after reading your biography at your website, I can understand now why you are so in favor of seeing America fall under Islamic control. It appears that you are among many who feel that the American Justice System handed you a raw deal. Unfortunately there have been many innocent individuals who have had this misfortune and who find it hard to forgive those who may have caused injustice. One need only to remember that Jesus said these things would happen:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:6-12)


I do not know the complete circumstances, JPC sr, but it certainly appears obvious that you harbor very strong feelings of anger toward the "establishment."

I know it may be very difficult to forgive and it is sad to see how your efforts have now turned to retribution which seem to be intended to aid an ideology that is totally anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Democracy, anti-Women's Rights, anti-Atheist, anti-Secularism, anti-Freedom of Religion, anti-Freedom of Speech, anti-Freedom of the Press, etc., etc. This will only continue to eat away at you, JPC sr, until you find True Peace with God through releasing the anger and contempt through forgiveness of those who have hurt you. You believe that Islam is the answer but the truth is Only God is the Answer and this through the Peace that only Jesus can instill in your heart. I hope you find that True and Lasting Peace.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
(John 14:27)

You are in my prayers.

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

Actually, hatred against America and Western Civilization was rekindled in 1979 by Ayatollah R. Khomeini's movement in Iran. This was the re-emergence of fundamental Islam against all non-Islamic societies as commanded by Muhammad's teachings in the Qur'an and Ahadith.

BTW: America assisted and trained Bin Laden's group in Afghanistan's struggle against the Soviet Union before he turned against the United States, however, his ideology was never pro-Western.

Also, after reading your biography at your website, I can understand now why you are so in favor of seeing America fall under Islamic control. It appears that you are among many who feel that the American Justice System handed you a raw deal. Unfortunately there have been many innocent individuals who have had this misfortune and who find it hard to forgive those who may have caused injustice. One need only to remember that Jesus said these things would happen:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:6-12)


I do not know the complete circumstances, JPC sr, but it certainly appears obvious that you harbor very strong feelings of anger toward the "establishment."

I know it may be very difficult to forgive and it is sad to see how your efforts have now turned to retribution which seem to be intended to aid an ideology that is totally anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Democracy, anti-Women's Rights, anti-Atheist, anti-Secularism, anti-Freedom of Religion, anti-Freedom of Speech, anti-Freedom of the Press, etc., etc. This will only continue to eat away at you, JPC sr, until you find True Peace with God through releasing the anger and contempt through forgiveness of those who have hurt you. You believe that Islam is the answer but the truth is Only God is the Answer and this through the Peace that only Jesus can instill in your heart. I hope you find that True and Lasting Peace.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
(John 14:27)

You are in my prayers.

I am not afraid of Islam,

and I do not fear any of their extremist,

my faith gives me much confidence indeed.

 

[Starman3000m]

I am not afraid of Islam,

and I do not fear any of their extremist,

my faith gives me much confidence indeed.

So be it, JPC sr.

Regards

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

So be it, JPC sr.

Regards

Do you see the problem that you must not be trying to frighten people?

Even if you succeed it only means that you create a lynch-mob mentality and that fear can stir up powerful emotions in people and they act irrationally.

It is a bigger problem since the Bush administration has been mis-using the fear as a weapon to get their war mongering and their domestic controls but we still must see it as the mis-use of fear and do not follow the wanton example.

I certainly do believe the the Bush administration is genuinely afraid so their fears are real but it is not a noble way to live.

The religion of Islam is our sister religion and the Muslims are our bretheren.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Look, 2A says there were Christians (as opposed to non-Christians) that waged war in the so-called Crusades, so 2A says the Christians were fighting a righteous war to free the Holy lands.

So he must consider the US 2nd amendment as a Christian right to kill people and to wage a Christian holy war.

But the Muslims that fight back are all heathen sinners deserving of their rightful deaths under the Christian arms - not.

I support the second amendment for citizens but not in the name of Christ.

Your are without a doubt the most ignorant person I have ever encountered and the non sequitur of your post proves it.

What does the fact that there were both Christians and non-Christians participating in the various Crusades have to do with the Second Amendment? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The Second Amendment applies to all citizens of the United States.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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The religion of Islam is our sister religion and the Muslims are our bretheren.

Your Muslim brethren want to kill you and are directed to do so by the Qur'an.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Fixed for intent

Never read them, huh?

You are as credible as JPC when it comes to religion. Good luck with that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Unlike you i have.

And you have credibility? You loose all of it when you ignore that the Bible has the same type of passages.

Now how would you know what I have read and not read? You wouldn't. You are bigoted against Christians.

The Jews were told to annihilate certain peoples including the occupants of Palestine. If the Jews had done so, they wouldn't have the problem they have now. On the other hand, Christians are instructed to go into the whole world and make disciples but are never instructed to kill those that do not accept Christ; Christians are told to shake the dust from their sandals.

Again, you show your ignorance of the Bible.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Sura (2:191) - And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]



Sura (2:244) - Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.



Sura (2:216) - Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.



Sura (3:56) - As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.



Sura (3:151) - Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority. This speaks directly of killing Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Sura (4:74) - Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.



Sura (4:76) - Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…



Sura (4:89) - They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks



Sura (4:95) - Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-



Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement



Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them



Sura (8:15) - O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end.



Sura (8:39) - And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah



Sura (8:57) - If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.



Sura (8:59-60) - And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy



Sura (9:5) - So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them



Sura (9:14) - Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace...



Sura (9:20) - Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant. The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.



Sura (9:29) - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!



Sura (9:38-39) - O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.



Sura (9:41) - Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew


Sura (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination



Sura (9:88) - But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.


Sura (9:111) - Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.



Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness



Sura (21:44) - We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?



Sura (25:52) - Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur'an). "Strive against" is Jihad, obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.



Sura (47:4) - So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,



Sura (47:35) - Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you,



Sura (48:17) - There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.



Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves



Sura (61:4) - Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way



Sura (61:10-12) - O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity. This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.



Sura (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.

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[2ndAmendment]

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Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.



Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)



Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious



Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah



Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah



Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."



Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"



Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill.



Ishaq: 327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

 

[2ndAmendment]

Can you at least be original, the cop-out is getting old.

I'm not biggoted against Christians, i will take issue with your attacks against a different religion, while ignoring and excusing the violence in your own.

Jesus told you that he was not here to replace the laws in the Old Testament and was actually here to Fullfill the laws.

In the below verses Jesus did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it

Old Testament prohibits a son from marrying his own mother, sister, or father's former wife. The Old Testament also orders those who commit adultery to be burnt in fire, and those who decide to desert their religion and follow another religion must get stoned to death.

Does this mean that since these laws do not exist in the New Testament, then that would allow the son to marry his own mother? or the brother to marry his own sister? or a Gay person to become a minister or priest in a church? and if that would be ok, then wouldn't that all be a contradiction to what Jesus wants since he is the one who inspired the Old Testament?

Just another inconsistent passage in the Bible, that will continue to ignore.

Oh wait it must be some of that translation errors again.

You are a bigot. Plain and simple.

There is a difference between the laws of God and the directives given to Moses or Aaron or David. Christians are to live according to grace but walk in the law of God because we love God. No, it is not OK for a son to marry his mother. No. Being homosexual is not OK; it is a sin like all other sin. Jesus came to fulfill the Law. Violation of Old Testament law required blood sacrifice. Jesus, by dying on the cross as the only perfect and complete sacrifice, made any further sacrifice unnecessary. The law was fulfilled for all time.

You don't accept or see that because you are spiritually blind.

 

[2ndAmendment]

haha ok but once again, what did Jesus say in Mathew 5:xx?

This:

Matthew 5
The Sermon on the Mount; The Beatitudes
1When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him.

2He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

5"Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

6"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

7"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

8"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

12"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Disciples and the World
13"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

14"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

16"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Personal Relationships
21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

25"Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.

26"Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

27"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';

28but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

30"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

31"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';

32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'

34"But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

35or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.

36"Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.

38"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.

41"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

42"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

48"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Nucklesack, You are a spreader of half-truths, therefore a liar.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Gee, like i said, you have NOT read the Q'uran. next time before you copy and paste, try reading in context, it really changes the hyperbole.



Hmm when you post the entire relevant passage, you really change the meaning. Kind of changes the LIES you posted. Fight against those that Fight against you, but DO NOT BEGIN HOSTILITIES (first part), drive them out of where you were driven out, but if they desist then Allah is forgiving.

Now that was just the first passage of Half Truths you posted. should i go through and refute more of your Hypocrisy?

or will you admit, that there really isnt a difference between the religions, but its the Radicals who bastardize the text, EXACTLY the same as you did.

OK. I cut and paste just like you cut and paste from your atheist sites. I have no interest in reading in detail the rantings of a molester of 12 year olds.

Didn't know you were Muslim. How do you reconcile the homicide bombers with your religion of peace?

 

[2ndAmendment]

But you'll follow the rantings from a book that praises a man who impregnates his 2 daughters.

Because i expose Christianity having similiar tracts as Islam i have to be Muslim? or a sympathizer? thats the same lunacy that was used against pro-rights proponents during the 60's.

Maybe i hold all religions to the same candle, not just the ones i'm afraid of?

Why do i have to reconcile homicide bombers? i've said it before, they are radicals followers of a religion, who bastardized passages in a book to fit their ideology.
All religions have these kooks, including Christianity.

If you are going to hold ALL Muslims accountable for radicals of their religion, then YOU will be held accountable for having radicals in your beliefs.

If you are going to cite passages in the Q'uran that excuses the Radicals, i will continue to show how Your religions radicals are equally excused.

I recognize the account of Lot and his daughters as an example of what not to do. Lot did not write the Bible. Mohammad did write the Qur'an or so the followers say. He had several wives according to history that were 12 yers old.

The New Testament does not teach Christians to kill in the name of Christ.

Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Testament. I am saved by grace.

And I have fulfilled my obligation to you. You have been told of the free gift of salvation through Jesus. You cannot go before the throne of judgment and claim ignorance. It is my desire that you and all accept Jesus as Savior and Lord, but the ball is now in your court. Hope you find God's grace before you die.


Muslims did post. Search is your friend.

I leave you to your blindness with the prayer that you find the "healing balm" to open the eyes of your soul.

 

[Starman3000m]

Do you see the problem that you must not be trying to frighten people?

Sorry but there is a BIG difference between "frightening" people and Warning people. The subject of this thread is how Islam allows Muslims to lie in order to gain advantage over non-Muslims as a goal to advance the cause of Islam for Al'lah, the Islamic god.

Even if you succeed it only means that you create a lynch-mob mentality and that fear can stir up powerful emotions in people and they act irrationally.

You mean like what happened over the Muhammad Cartoons incident????

Actually, it is better to be forewarned and educated than to be blind-sided by an ideology that is intent on destroying the very foundational core of the Freedoms that are found in the U.S. Constitution and also in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights which by the way is incorporated on your website. Have you even read it? Please make a comparison and you will see that the Islamic ideology is not compatible with either the U.S. Constitution and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights.

It is a bigger problem since the Bush administration has been mis-using the fear as a weapon to get their war mongering and their domestic controls but we still must see it as the mis-use of fear and do not follow the wanton example.

I certainly do believe the the Bush administration is genuinely afraid so their fears are real but it is not a noble way to live.

It is not fear; it is Vigilance and taking Defensive Measures to counteract an ideology that is even intent on wiping out "Moderate Muslims" in the process.

The religion of Islam is our sister religion and the Muslims are our bretheren.

Proof Positive that you have been indoctrinated into the deception that wants you to believe that Islam and the Judeo-Christian faiths are "sister religions". From the following text, please inform us how you can believe that Islam is a "sister religion" :

Yahweh NEVER commanded His angels to bow down prostrate to Adam.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (002.034) (007.011)

Yahweh NEVER authorized mankind to honor and kiss a stone. (Ka'ba)
Muhammad Did and Muslims still do to this day.

Yahweh NEVER authorized men to beat their wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (004.032)

Yahweh NEVER authorized His prophets to have multiple wives- as many as the prophet desired, nor did Yahweh authorize men to have up to four wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (033.050) (004.003)

Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)

Yahweh NEVER said the women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)

If Muhammad is a prophet of Al'lah, Muhammad definitely cannot be a prophet of Yahweh.

Conclusion: Al'lah Is Not Yahweh and when Islamic theology says they are the same, (Qur'an 029.046) it is another lie that has been permitted to deceive unsuspecting non-Muslims; Christians and Jews.

You are still in my prayers, JPC sr.

 

[JPC sr]

Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

Conclusion: Al'lah Is Not Yahweh and when Islamic theology says they are the same, (Qur'an 029.046) it is another lie that has been permitted to deceive unsuspecting non-Muslims; Christians and Jews.

You are still in my prayers, JPC sr.

The name "God" and "Allah" both come from the Hebrew name of "Eloheem" and not from the name "Yahweh" or english "Jehovah".

So Yahweh is not the Christian God either of mainstream Christianity.

There are some small groups that recognize the correct name of Yahweh but the mainstream Christianity sees the Yahweh groups as being cults.

The Jehovah Witnesses do know the true name but they still fail by using the Jehovah instead of Yahweh but they do try in other ways.