As in the days of Noah.....

[baydoll]

first, these are just a vague as nostradomous' predictions

Oh? How are they vague?

I asked this of Xaquin to which I have yet to receive an answer from, perhaps you'd like to answer it?




Can you predict the exact city in which the birth of a future US president would take place 700 years from now?

Can you predict the precise kind of death that a new, unknown religious leader would experience a thousand years from today?

Can you also predict a new method of execution not currently known, one that wouldn't even be invented for another hundreds of years in the future?

Can you predict the SPECIFIC date of the appearance of some great future leader hundreds of years in advance?

Can you predict 50 SPECIFIC prophecies about some man in the future we would never meet, and have that man fulfill ALL 50 PREDICTIONS?

And out of those 50 SPECIFIC predictions, can you predict that 25 of them were about what OTHER people will do to that man which will be completely beyond his control?

Answer me if you will, O Wise Prophet One.

 

[Xaquin44]

Oh? How are they vague?

I asked this of Xaquin to which I have yet to receive an answer from, perhaps you'd like to answer it?

I answered ....

Can you predict the exact city in which the birth of a future US president would take place 700 years from now?

Can you predict the precise kind of death that a new, unknown religious leader would experience a thousand years from today?

Can you also predict a new method of execution not currently known, one that wouldn't even be invented for another hundreds of years in the future?

Can you predict the SPECIFIC date of the appearance of some great future leader hundreds of years in advance?

Can you predict 50 SPECIFIC prophecies about some man in the future we would never meet, and have that man fulfill ALL 50 PREDICTIONS?

And out of those 50 SPECIFIC predictions, can you predict that 25 of them were about what OTHER people will do to that man which will be completely beyond his control?

Answer me if you will, O Wise Prophet One.

I can make vague self fulfilling prophecies every day. Also, when dealing with stories, it's pretty darn easy to make prophecies. Example: I write a story about a guy exploring a cave. I say in the beginning that the guy dies at the end. At the end, the guy dies.

GOODNESS ME, I MUST BE A PROPHET!

 

[baydoll]

just about any person who was rejected by the jewish establishment could fit it

Oh?

Let see how easy that would be, shall we?

After you answer the above, please answer how easy it would be to:

"arrange" to be born in a specific family;

"arrange" in advance to have his parents give birth to him in a specific city, and to make things a little 'easier' in a city which is not their own?

"arrange" to be virgin born;

"orchestrate" his own death, including being put to death by the strange method of crucifixion;

"arrange' to be put to death not alone but with specifically two criminals;

"arrange" to have his executioners gamble for his clothes during said execution;

"arrange" to be betrayed for a specific amount of money (30 pieces of silver to be exact);

"arrange" to be betrayed by a friend;

"plan" in advance that his executioners will cary out their regular practice of breaking the legs of the two victims beside him but not his;

how could he possible escape from the grave and appear to people after he has been killed?


It might be possible to fake one or two of these predictions, but how possible is it to fulfill ALL of those predictions in advance?

 

[tommyjones]

Oh? How are they vague?

I asked this of Xaquin to which I have yet to receive an answer from, perhaps you'd like to answer it?




Can you predict the exact city in which the birth of a future US president would take place 700 years from now?

Can you predict the precise kind of death that a new, unknown religious leader would experience a thousand years from today?

Can you also predict a new method of execution not currently known, one that wouldn't even be invented for another hundreds of years in the future?

Can you predict the SPECIFIC date of the appearance of some great future leader hundreds of years in advance?

Can you predict 50 SPECIFIC prophecies about some man in the future we would never meet, and have that man fulfill ALL 50 PREDICTIONS?

And out of those 50 SPECIFIC predictions, can you predict that 25 of them were about what OTHER people will do to that man which will be completely beyond his control?

Answer me if you will, O Wise Prophet One.

why dont you list the supposed propecies related to each of these so that i can rebuke them or show just how vague they really are?

its just an easier way to handle it.

I know that the bible doesn't contain specific prophecies, at least none more specific than nostrodamous, i have read it, and was raised a christian.

 

[Xaquin44]

Oh?

Let see how easy that would be, shall we?

After you answer the above, please answer how easy it would be to:

"arrange" to be born in a specific family;

"arrange" in advance to have his parents give birth to him in a specific city, and to make things a little 'easier' in a city which is not their own?

"arrange" to be virgin born;

"orchestrate" his own death, including being put to death by the strange method of crucifixion;

"arrange' to be put to death not alone but with specifically two criminals;

"arrange" to have his executioners gamble for his clothes during said execution;

"arrange" to be betrayed for a specific amount of money (30 pieces of silver to be exact);

"arrange" to be betrayed by a friend;

"plan" in advance that his executioners will cary out their regular practice of breaking the legs of the two victims beside him but not his;

how could he possible escape from the grave and appear to people after he has been killed?


It might be possible to fake one or two of these predictions, but how possible is it to fulfill ALL of those predictions in advance?

I could make a story that fits all of those.

Only my guy would be called 'Brian'

 

[baydoll]

I answered ....



I can make vague self fulfilling prophecies every day. Also, when dealing with stories, it's pretty darn easy to make prophecies. Example: I write a story about a guy exploring a cave. I say in the beginning that the guy dies at the end. At the end, the guy dies.

GOODNESS ME, I MUST BE A PROPHET!

Add precise specific details concerning that man and then have it actually happen and then you might have something there.

 

[baydoll]

I could make a story that fits all of those.

Yeah you could but does it actually come true?

 

[Xaquin44]

Add precise specific details concerning that man and then have it actually happen and then you might have something there.

oohhh you can prove the bible!

you should tell a news network. No one else has ever been able to.

 

[Xaquin44]

Yeah you could but does it actually come true?

as much as the bible can be proven to come true, sure.

 

[tommyjones]

Oh?

Let see how easy that would be, shall we?

After you answer the above, please answer how easy it would be to:

"arrange" to be born in a specific family; could you please provide evidence NOT IN THE BIBLE to support the family claim

"arrange" in advance to have his parents give birth to him in a specific city, and to make things a little 'easier' in a city which is not their own? If the specific city was known, why did the wise men have to follow a star? why didn't they just go and wait for him to be born

"arrange" to be virgin born; mary made it up to cover for her indescretions

"orchestrate" his own death, including being put to death by the strange method of crucifixion; Jesus knew that the method of execution was crucifixtion, he purposefully commited a crime in the temple fully knowing he would be prosecuted. so it was easy

"arrange' to be put to death not alone but with specifically two criminals;

"arrange" to have his executioners gamble for his clothes during said execution; you will have to show me where this is prophecised

"arrange" to be betrayed for a specific amount of money (30 pieces of silver to be exact); again show me where this was prophecized

"arrange" to be betrayed by a friend;again show me where this was prophecized

"plan" in advance that his executioners will cary out their regular practice of breaking the legs of the two victims beside him but not his;again show me where this was prophecized

how could he possible escape from the grave and appear to people after he has been killed? again show me where this was prophecized, and show independant proof- not from the christian bible- that shows this happened


It might be possible to fake one or two of these predictions, but how possible is it to fulfill ALL of those predictions in advance?

answeres and questions in red

 

[baydoll]

why dont you list the supposed propecies related to each of these so that i can rebuke them or show just how vague they really are?

Alrighty then!

Here are just a few:


Psalms 22:

14 I am poured out like water, And all My bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And My tongue clings to My jaws; You have brought Me to the dust of death. 16 For dogs have surrounded Me; The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced 18 My hands and My feet; 17 I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me. 18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.

Mark 15
15:24
And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take.

Matthew 27
27:31
And when they had mocked Him, they took the robe off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him away to be crucified.
27:32
Now as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name. Him they compelled to bear His cross.
27:33
And when they had come to a place called Golgotha, that is to say, Place of a Skull,
27:34
they gave Him sour F155 wine mingled with gall to drink. But when He had tasted it, He would not drink.
27:35
Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, F156 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: "They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots." F157
27:36
Sitting down, they kept watch over Him there.
27:37
And they put up over His head the accusation written against Him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27:38
Then two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left.

Betrayed by a friend:

Psalms 41
41:9
Even my own familiar friend in whom I trusted, Who ate my bread, Has lifted up his heel against me.

John 13
13:21

When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me."

Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver:


Zechariah 11:12

Then I said to them, "If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain." So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

Matthew 26
26:15
and said, "What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?" And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver.


The 30 pieces of silver thrown in the temple:

Zechariah 11
11:13
And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter.

Matthew 27 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Spat upon, smitten and scourged:

Isaiah 50
50:6
I gave My back to those who struck Me, And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard; I did not hide My face from shame and spitting.

Matthew 27 27:26
Then he released Barabbas to them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.

27:30
Then they spat on Him, and took the reed and struck Him on the head.

No bones broken:

Psalms 34
34:20
He guards all his bones; Not one of them is broken.

Numbers 9
9:12
They shall leave none of it until morning, nor break one of its bones. According to all the ordinances of the Passover they shall keep it.

John 19
19:33
But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.
19:34
But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
19:35
And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
19:36
For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "Not one of His bones shall be broken."

Pierced:

Zechariah 12
12:10
"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

John 19
19:34
But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

Buried with the rich:

Isaiah 53
53:9
And they made His grave with the wicked-- But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

Matthew 27
57 Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given to him. 59 When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed.

There are many many more but I am really pressed for time...

I am hoping to be able to go into further detail of this when I get back from my vacation.

 

[baydoll]

Are Bats really birds? (Leviticus 11:13)

Rabbits chew a Cud? (Deuteronomy 14:7-8)

Is the Mustard seed the smallest seed? (Mathew 13:32)

Does the Mustard seed grow into a tree? (Mathew 13:32)

Does the Earth Move ? (Hebrews 1:10)

What eva.

Edited to add: I will gladly answer all the above. I am getting ready to go out of town for a few days and am really really pressed for time, folks!

 

[baydoll]

as much as the bible can be proven to come true, sure.

So please do! I will be waiting!

 

[baydoll]

answeres and questions in red

tommy, I will be out of town for the next few days.

I will gladly answer your questions when I get back.

Thanks for being such a sweetie-pie!

 

[Xaquin44]

-this and that-

wow! imagine that!

self fulfilling prophecy!

incredible!

 

[marv1]

Jesus fulfilled over 400 prophecies. It would be quite time consuming for anyone to list them all.

 

[Xaquin44]

Jesus fulfilled over 400 prophecies. It would be quite time consuming for anyone to list them all.

Edit!

I myself have fulfilled over 1,000 prophecies. Jesus was a lightweight.

 

[marv1]

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:13-14.

 

[Xaquin44]

"So it shall come to pass that 2,000 years from now people shall skew actual meanings and justify wrongly whilst acting holier then thou and being general pricks" Xaquin 16:40

 

[marv1]

I must have made a mistake. I thought this was a religious forum where mature discussions would take place regarding...ugh religion.