Bible contradictions

Radiant1

Soul Probe
2ndAmendment said:
Catholics believe in the Transubstantiation, that the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus. Catholics did not always believe that; that belief was made doctrine in the year 1215 at the Fourth Lateran Council.

I had no intentions of getting into this thread, but since this was not addressed I felt it necessary....the quote above is wrong. Although the doctrine wasn't stated formally until 1215 that doesn't mean it wasn't believed from the beginning, in fact it was. It is not until such beliefs are challenged (during the reformation for example) that such doctrines are declared in a formal manner necessarily. 2A, please make note of this, it is very important for you to remember this lest you misrepresent the Catholic faith.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
wxtornado said:
For the sake of argument, let's say this person that's never heard of Jesus does exist, because he certainly could. If he dies without hearing about Jesus, will he go to heaven?
God makes that decision. Not one person here could answer that.
 

brendar buhl

Doesn't seem Christian
PsyOps said:
BINGO!!!! :yay:

Everyone is so busy judging and condemning and questioning. :rolleyes:

Exactly. And if we spent more time loving people and providing for their needs and spent less time telling people that they're going to hell, people would understand what true religion is all about.
 

camily

Peace
When does a person know that one must leave? Even when one knows the teaching is not right. I am not gifted with the words needed or how to explain. I need prayers, not for me, I've already lost, prayers are needed for those who are being lead alway from sound doctrine. So again I ask you give me the rules to walk away or guidelines to wash my hands and move on.

The following passages refer to the sending forth of Jesus' disciples to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Obviously, Jesus was teaching his disciples that if some people will not listen to the message, their time could be better spent going to someone who will listen.

Matthew 10:14
14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
NIV

Mark 6:11
11 And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them."
NIV

Luke 9:5-6
5 If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them." 6 So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere.
NIV

Luke 10:11-12
11 Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.' 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
NIV

Acts 13:51-52
51 So they shook the dust from their feet in protest against them and went to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
NIV

Matthew 7:6
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
KJV

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
NIV

1 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.
NIV
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
wxtornado said:
What would he base his decision on, or is that another question only God could answer?
Once you have been exposed to Christ then you have a choice. Until then you don’t have that choice. What does God have planned for them? I don’t know. Is this to imply he doesn’t have a plan for them? Did God have a plan for the creation of the universe? Did he tell us what that plan was? If so, then why do we even have scientists seeking the truth about our universe? When God created man do you think he didn’t have everyone in mind for his plan for salvation? Has he told us that entire plan? Of course not.

Maybe it would be easier if you looked at god like your parents. Did they tell you everything about what they were doing when you were growing up? How much money they had, how much they spent, when they had sex, all their plans for you, for them? How many times, growing up, did you ask you parents “WHY?” when they told you to do something or not do something? Are you not doing the same thing with God now? Your parents knew, as a child you would only understand certain things and that some things were inappropriate for you to know. As a parent today, I understand these things and wont expose my children to certain things until they are ready. God is much the same way. You think, in terms of God, you are an adult but you aren’t. None of us can even come close to comprehending the minutest detail of God’s purpose; just like we didn’t understand our parents’ growing up. Having God explain some of these things would be like trying to explain quantum mechanics to an infant. So how can we question whether someone, that has not yet been exposed to Christ, is going to go to heaven or not? Just like I trusted my parents (even though then I didn’t think I did), even though they didn’t tell you everything, I trust God that He knows what He is doing and will leave the concerns in His hands as to what happens to other’s salvation.
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
PsyOps said:
Once you have been exposed to Christ then you have a choice. Until then you don’t have that choice. What does God have planned for them? I don’t know.


Thanks for answering.

Anyone one else have any idea?
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
PsyOps said:
Well, I appreciate you selectively omitting the bulk of my answer in order to propagate your purpose. :nono:

I asked you a simple question, and you answered it. Do you really need me to comment on the rest of your post?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
wxtornado said:
I asked you a simple question, and you answered it. Do you really need me to comment on the rest of your post?
In the context of the debate I suppose I would. As a non-believer... Not really :whistle:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Nucklesack said:
Would you also be so kind to explain how we are commanded to Obey yet also have Free Will? They dont work together
Demanding that we obey is still a choice. You either do it or you don't; it's your choice. However, not obeying will have its consequences. So free will still applies.
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
PsyOps said:
In the context of the debate I suppose I would. As a non-believer... Not really :whistle:

Agree with the second part - I really didn't think you'd expect a non-believer to respond, as it really doesn't apply to me as a non-believer.
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
PsyOps said:
Demanding that we obey is still a choice. You either do it or you don't; it's your choice. However, not obeying will have its consequences. So free will still applies.

Your God already saw me "not obeying" him back before I was born. I would negate his omniscience if I could do something other than what he already saw me do.

Given the Christian paradigm, all existence is simply a play. The ending is known. What every character is going to do, is known. It has always been known. Infinitely in time. There is no escaping this issue that comes as a CONSEQUENCE of an all-knowing, all-powerful "Author of the Universe" -- it comes inherently with the idea of a omipotent being -- like a triangle comes inherently with 3 angles. Not four, not none-- but three. You cannot escape it. It IS what MUST BE from an all knowing, all seeing God.

There can be no free will with the God of the Bible. Just like Judas HAD to betray Jesus, you have already been foreseen to get that cup of coffee (or tea, or soda, or water, or whatever).

Now if you want free will -- real free will-- become an atheist. Obviously, all choices an atheist makes are done so free and clear of any divine spirit foreseeng anything. Since obviously there are no "gods", free will comes inherently in the materialist wiorldview, as assuredly as it is lacking in the theists worldview.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
wxtornado said:
Agree with the second part - I really didn't think you'd expect a non-believer to respond, as it really doesn't apply to me as a non-believer.
But it does apply in the context of debate and you seem quite interested in these discussions and I am interested in what you have to say. Even though you're a non-believer you seem to entertain these subjects with a certain level of respect that I can appreciate; unlike many that tend to get downright ugly and disrespectful. :buddies:
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
PsyOps said:
But it does apply in the context of debate and you seem quite interested in these discussions and I am interested in what you have to say. Even though you're a non-believer you seem to entertain these subjects with a certain level of respect that I can appreciate; unlike many that tend to get downright ugly and disrespectful. :buddies:

Okay, fair enough then, here are my thoughts on that. You basically said in a nutshell to think of God like my parents, in that everything won't be explained or apparent to us for a reason, or that we have no way of ever understanding His full purpose. Makes sense in the context of the parents, but why wouldn't your God make things apparent? How can I worship a being that I can't possibly ever understand?
 
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