Bible contradictions

[Tonio]

As you become more independent you can then question the whole religious idea (possibly becoming Aetheist or Agnostic), or you become exposed to other beliefs, ideas, that exposure can then influence your beliefs. That works in reverse too, if you were raised Aetheist/Agnostic and become exposed to religion you could also question.

That makes a little more sense. However, it's not necessarily "from religion to atheism" or "from atheism to religion." Sometimes it's "from religion X to religion Y." Also, some people are raised with no or very little religion (not the same as atheism) and then believe in a religion later.

You can question your own religious beliefs, but as an example if you dont know about Christianity (Indians in the New World example) then you are not going to embrace Christ. Else why wasnt Christianity here when Columbus came?

It's possible that some of the Indians may have eventually arrived at a religion that resembled Christianity. I've read that the Aztecs' religion resembled Catholicism in some ways, which aided the Spanish missionaries when they arrived.

 

[Midnightrider]

I'm not feeling quite so combative today, so I'm not going to get into a big thing, but I do not consider my belief system to be based on a guess. I looked at all the evidence that's available, and went from there.

If you want to call that a guess, then fine. It was a guess.

Trifles and sementics.






So disagreeing with something is an insult? Having the conviction to actually commit to your beliefs is an insult?

I have the conviction to to commit to my belief that any choice on this matter is only an educated guess, but you find that insulting, right?

 

[Toxick]

I have the conviction to to commit to my belief that any choice on this matter is only an educated guess, but you find that insulting, right?

No.


:sigh:


No. That's not what I found insulting.

 

[Midnightrider]

No.


:sigh:


No. That's not what I found insulting.

right, your problem was that i won't accept that your guess is any more than an educated guess. Base it on all the 'evidence' you want, but its still just a guess.

 

[Toxick]

right, your problem was that i won't accept that your guess is any more than an educated guess. Base it on all the 'evidence' you want, but its still just a guess.

Nope.

 

[Midnightrider]

Nope.

if you aren't going to add anything what is the point of posting?

 

[Toxick]

right, your problem was that i won't accept that your guess is any more than an educated guess. Base it on all the 'evidence' you want, but its still just a guess.

I spelled out exactly what bothered me. Did you even read it?


You (or Nucklesack) opined yeseterday that the reason I am a Christian is simply because I live in a predominantly Christian part of the world.

I responded that this was not the case.

You and Nucklesack basically responded with "Yes it is."



THAT is what bothered me.


I hope that is plain enough to understand.

 

[Midnightrider]

I spelled out exactly what bothered me. Did you even read it?


You (or Nucklesack) opined yeseterday that the reason I am a Christian is simply because I live in a predominantly Christian part of the world.

I responded that this was not the case.

You and Nucklesack basically responded with "Yes it is."



THAT is what bothered me.


I hope that is plain enough to understand.

Well, i'm sorry that logic escapes you, but i GUESS it just does.

and yesterday, you spent a lot of time refuting the whole idea of a guess. Thats where i picked that up....

 

[Toxick]

if you aren't going to add anything what is the point of posting?

Because I posted it yesterday. It didn't get through yesterday - I doubt it'll get through today.


What is the point of posting, indeed, when I'm conversing with someone who is simply going to shrug off everything I write anyway.

 

[Midnightrider]

I spelled out exactly what bothered me. Did you even read it?


You (or Nucklesack) opined yeseterday that the reason I am a Christian is simply because I live in a predominantly Christian part of the world.

I responded that this was not the case.

You and Nucklesack basically responded with "Yes it is."



THAT is what bothered me.


I hope that is plain enough to understand.

so are you seriously contending that if you were born and raised in afgahnistan you would be a chrisitan?

 

[Toxick]

so are you seriously contending that if you were born and raised in afgahnistan you would be a chrisitan?

No.

I am contending that I am not a Christian simply because I was born in North America.

 

[Midnightrider]

No.

I am contending that I am not a Christian simply because I was born in North America.

But you most likely wouldn't be had you been born and raised somewhere with a different dominate religion.

 

[ItalianScallion]

For the sake of argument, let's say this person that's never heard of Jesus does exist, because he certainly could. If he dies without hearing about Jesus, will he go to heaven?

WX, I honestly have to tell you that, if this was possible, that I don't know what God would do. The Bible never mentions anyone NOT knowing about God. In the Old Testament, people didn't have to believe in Jesus death & resurrection because it hadn't happened yet. They believed in God and they were considered righteous by Him and were saved by that belief. With everything in my being, I don't believe that NOT knowing Him is possible because God gives everyone MANY chances to know about Him or else His judgment wouldn't be fair. It's like executing a person who is truly mentally handicapped for killing someone. In (Romans 1v18-20) He says clearly that we are "without excuse'. No one is going to stand before God and be able to say that they never heard of Him or Jesus because God wants everyone to believe in Him (2 Peter 3v9). He wants NO ONE to end up in Hell. He is not a God who gets a kick out of sending people there. He even says that He takes no pleasure in wicked people dying and going to Hell.(Ezekiel 18v23 & 32). The dangerous part of this forum is that many people are being made accountable for truth and they don't even realize it. If they reject it, it is their choice. God will make Himself know to ANYONE who really wants to know Him. The problem is that many just want to argue & deny the reality of Him. The MAIN difference between Christianity and ALL OTHER RELIGIONS is that "Our Jesus" really died and really came back to life by His own power. NO OTHER PERSON CAN MAKE THAT CLAIM! Buddah, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Confuscious, Sun Young Moon, David Koresh, etc., are still in their graves. Jesus' grave is empty and He was seen alive by thousands who had seen Him die. This is the main reason why Christianity in not a "best guess" for me folks, but an educated study that I have done over the last 18 years. I know many of you are truly searching for the truth but, in your search, don't miss the truth when it's right in your face. Read just the 4 Gospels; Matthew, Mark, Luke & John and you will come away with an incredible amount of knowledge about who God is. Ask Him to help you to believe and he will!

 

[wxtornado]

I'll have to search for the verse I am referring to, as I am not at all good at memorizing them. All I can say is that's what the Bible says so I believe it. I may not understand it, or be able to explain it, I just believe it. That's faith.

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[wxtornado]

I didn't think anyone was going to dignify my question with a response. (BTW: the question was a joke - it didn't require an answer).


Short answer: I don't know.





You finally squeezed it out of me.

Wasn't trying to squeeze anything out of you Toxick, was trying to get your thoughts on the matter. And there's certainly nothing wrong with not knowing an answer to a question.

 

[wxtornado]

WX, I honestly have to tell you that, if this was possible, that I don't know what God would do.

Okay, fair enough. I don't either - s'why I was asking. I wanted to hear a theist's point of view on the subject.

 

[Roughidle]

Okay, fair enough. I don't either - s'why I was asking. I wanted to hear a theist's point of view on the subject.

Just ta throw another wrench or stir the stew...there's mention(and I'd have to research to find it again) that not all who are forgiven would be saved either. That it's been pre-decided that not all will be saved regardless of their pentance and being forgiven. That was one of the issues that plagued Martin Luther and would cause him many sleepless nights as he battled his inner demons, doubts and questions about God and Jesus' promise of forgiveness.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Just ta throw another wrench or stir the stew...there's mention(and I'd have to research to find it again) that not all who are forgiven would be saved either. That it's been pre-decided that not all will be saved regardless of their pentance and being forgiven. That was one of the issues that plagued Martin Luther and would cause him many sleepless nights as he battled his inner demons, doubts and questions about God and Jesus' promise of forgiveness.

That is not quite what the scripture says. It says:

Matthew 7:21-23

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

So not everyone that claims to be a Christian, claims to be forgiven, is really a Christian, really forgiven. You will know them by their actions.

Another:

Luke 6:46-49

46"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

47"Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like:

48he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.

49"But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great."

Or as James said:

James 2:14-20

14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,

16and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

18But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

On the other hand, works without faith is also useless.

 

[Not4you]

All this religion talk has had me reading quite a bit lately (both on and off the web).

One site I ran across was http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com which details quite a few contradictions in the bible.

 

[willie]

You talk too much.