Big MVA Fee Increase

Hijinx

Hijinx

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OccamsRazor said:
Might help if you get things straight and know the difference between "Antique" vehicles and those that can be tagged "Historic."
I have no problems with "Antique" vehicles and those that are registered as such. The vast majority of people that own these types of vehicles DO NOT use them as daily drivers or for work purposes.
Finally, if you are going to say that it's a "small problem" then I suppose that I will NEVER hear you complain about food prices going up a dollar, gas prices going up $0.10, or insurance premiums going up... right?
When you have 10s of thousands of people in this state that are cheating the system and paying 1/3 to 1/4 the costs that they are supposed to be paying then YES... that is lost revenue. Where do you think the state is going to make up that revenue?
A lot of people with these "Historic" junk piles are driving around in unsafe cars. Now, I am sure that the people on here that have them keep them 100% up to code :killingmebut a lot of people do not.
Lets just hope that one of these Historic vehicles don't run into you while you are out on the road.
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Whatever.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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Kyle said:
I'd be glad to provide a list of what DOES qualify. ( It doesnt' have any toyotas, datsuns or hondas on it thats for sure. )

HIH.
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So you're telling me that a Datsun 260 doesn't qualify as historic? And that's why you don't get to write a list. Your opinion about what's historic or not bears no weight at all.
OccamsRazor said:
Apparently we do. I see enforcement as the job that LEO is supposed to do IN TOTAL. Not selectively. In your job, do you get to pick and choose which portions of your job are the "most important" and then just ignore the parts of your job that you deem "unimportant?"

What vehicles "qualify" are already established and not the issue. The issue is the abuse of the rules that come with Historic registrations.
If you want to register your '73 F-100 then by all means.. go for it. That being said, it shouldn't be a daily driver and shouldn't be used for any means of work PERIOD. The actual rules for Historic vehicles are clearly outlined. Check 'em out.
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You'll note that part of my response was replying to Kyle and not you, correct?
 
Kyle

Kyle

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glhs837 said:
So you're telling me that a Datsun 260 doesn't qualify as historic? And that's why you don't get to write a list. Your opinion about what's historic or not bears no weight at all.


You'll note that part of my response was replying to Kyle and not you, correct?
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No Datsun.


Ever.
 
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somdwatch

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OccamsRazor said:
Meh. I already have a full time job that I signed up for and perform at a quite high level. If only those who signed up to enforce this would do the same then we might not be dealing with 60%+ increases in registration fees.
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They're Democrats, they would have found any excuse for a 60%+ increase. It's just who they are. $$ for Social BS.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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Kyle said:
I'd be glad to provide a list of what DOES qualify. ( It doesnt' have any toyotas, datsuns or hondas on it thats for sure. )

HIH.
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So, BMW, Mercedes? Or just American vehicles? What about my old 1987 Shelby GLHS? Only 1,000 made. Vins assigned to Shelby, not Dodge. Does that make your list? My point is that your narrow view of what is historic might be a bit limited.


This car is not historic? I'm sorry if you don't agree.

How about a 1987 Buick Regal? Probably not on your list. But the Grand National most likely is. And of course the GNX? Or does your list stop in 1974?

OccamsRazor said:
Apparently we do. I see enforcement as the job that LEO is supposed to do IN TOTAL. Not selectively. In your job, do you get to pick and choose which portions of your job are the "most important" and then just ignore the parts of your job that you deem "unimportant?"

What vehicles "qualify" are already established and not the issue. The issue is the abuse of the rules that come with Historic registrations.
If you want to register your '73 F-100 then by all means.. go for it. That being said, it shouldn't be a daily driver and shouldn't be used for any means of work PERIOD. The actual rules for Historic vehicles are clearly outlined. Check 'em out.
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Yep, my boss give me pretty wide latitude on what I prioritize. Note I said prioritize. There are so many hours in the day. Officers have only so many hours to devote to enforcement. I disagree with how they spend a lot of them, but I recognize they cannot enforce everything. I agree no work vehicle should be tagged historic. Thats why Gilligan's friend got popped. It was an old van with ladder racks.

I see an old black man riding a riding mower up and down 235 every day, going back and forth to the Park and down by Gate 3 and south. Illegal as hell. Do I want an officer to spend time citing that old man as long as he's not a danger? Nope. Same for a lot of the "historic" crapboxes I do see. They are not harming anyone beyond not paying full rate. I'll bet most of them are making that choice out of necessity. Not sure if you've ever been that broke, but I have a time or two. I'm not now, but I remember.
 
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OccamsRazor

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glhs837 said:
They are not harming anyone beyond not paying full rate. I'll bet most of them are making that choice out of necessity. Not sure if you've ever been that broke, but I have a time or two. I'm not now, but I remember.
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Cool! So I guess we won't see you having an issue with illegals collecting SS, medical benefits, subsidies from the gov, or people with the welfare lifestyle for life, etc. After all... they aren't hurting anyone..AmIright?
glhs837 said:
Yep, my boss give me pretty wide latitude on what I prioritize. Note I said prioritize. There are so many hours in the day. Officers have only so many hours to devote to enforcement.
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Hmm... and what if they said they "don't have enough time in the day" to enforce theft of property? I suppose that would be an acceptable answer to you once.. and IF, they respond to a break in at your home??
And, "prioritize" does not mean that the "little things" simply don't get done. Which is exactly what we have here. Which is partially why all the rates went up. Might not effect you BUT, there are a LOT of people who do not make enough to have a "So what" attitude about it.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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OccamsRazor said:
Cool! So I guess we won't see you having an issue with illegals collecting SS, medical benefits, subsidies from the gov, or people with the welfare lifestyle for life, etc. After all... they aren't hurting anyone..AmIright?

Hmm... and what if they said they "don't have enough time in the day" to enforce theft of property? I suppose that would be an acceptable answer to you once.. and IF, they respond to a break in at your home??
And, "prioritize" does not mean that the "little things" simply don't get done. Which is exactly what we have here. Which is partially why all the rates went up. Might not effect you BUT, there are a LOT of people who do not make enough to have a "So what" attitude about it.
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See, taking my statements and expanding them to a global basis isn't valid. I don't worry all that much about a bleeding scratch. I worry about major blood loss.

You seem to be sure that registration rates are tied to the number of historic vehicles registered. Do you have any data to back that up?
 
LightRoasted

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

It seems that those that are complaining the most about those with historic tags, are the ones most likely to have a new, to newer, car, or EV, along with the high monthly nut of $500+++ per month in car payments plus high comprehensive coverage insurance rates. Sucks to be you.

Though now. Remember when Maryland changed the renewal rates from 4 year cycle to the 2 year cycle? Because ... "the transportation fund needs the money". And now, those that have a hard time affording renewal tags, can now opt for a 1 year renewal instead. How mighty magnanimous of those in Annapolis.

Waiting for the 1 year renewal only to become law pretty soon, with an increase in costs of course.
 
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OccamsRazor

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glhs837 said:
See, taking my statements and expanding them to a global basis isn't valid. I don't worry all that much about a bleeding scratch. I worry about major blood loss.

You seem to be sure that registration rates are tied to the number of historic vehicles registered. Do you have any data to back that up?
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It was you that made the "it's not hurting anyone" comment. I merely offered other examples where no one directly gets hurt. When, to the contrary, EVERYONE (that honestly registers their vehicle) gets hurt in the form of financial burden.
Data? It is common frickin' sense! The state expects $XXX in registration fees. The state gets $YYY in registration fees. The state LOSES $XXX-YYY in registration fees due to improperly registered vehicles. Pretty simple. I don't care if it is a $100K loss per year (likely much more than that) it is still a loss that is going to be made up by MY hard earned money in some form.
Also keep in mind the smaller things that go along with this. Road repairs being one of them. All these daily drivers that are supposed to only be on the road 4-5 times a month. It all adds up and it all gets pushed on the people who do the correct thing.
Scoff all you want. Next time, when the cost to register your motorcycle goes up yet again, just remember... "it's not hurting anyone."
 
thurley42

thurley42

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OccamsRazor said:
It was you that made the "it's not hurting anyone" comment. I merely offered other examples where no one directly gets hurt. When, to the contrary, EVERYONE (that honestly registers their vehicle) gets hurt in the form of financial burden.
Data? It is common frickin' sense! The state expects $XXX in registration fees. The state gets $YYY in registration fees. The state LOSES $XXX-YYY in registration fees due to improperly registered vehicles. Pretty simple. I don't care if it is a $100K loss per year (likely much more than that) it is still a loss that is going to be made up by MY hard earned money in some form.
Also keep in mind the smaller things that go along with this. Road repairs being one of them. All these daily drivers that are supposed to only be on the road 4-5 times a month. It all adds up and it all gets pushed on the people who do the correct thing.
Scoff all you want. Next time, when the cost to register your motorcycle goes up yet again, just remember... "it's not hurting anyone."
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you'd make a good brown shirt..
 
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OccamsRazor

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Ken King said:
2023 data - total registered in MD = 2,076,323; historic tags = 165,763 or about 8% of total.
Does 8% sound about right?
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Lets do some basic math here. Based on Ken's numbers:

165,763 vehicles registers as Historic.
Now, let's say that just 30% of them are 'falsely' registered like that (much likely higher than that) = 49,729
Average cost to register a vehicle in MD = $161
Historic registration = $51
Difference = $110
Now, lets take the difference and multiply it out: $110 x 49,729

Total in lost revenue = $5,470,190

Not exactly chump change. EVERY.. YEAR.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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LightRoasted said:
For your consideration ...

It seems that those that are complaining the most about those with historic tags, are the ones most likely to have a new, to newer, car, or EV, along with the high monthly nut of $500+++ per month in car payments plus high comprehensive coverage insurance rates. Sucks to be you.

Though now. Remember when Maryland changed the renewal rates from 4 year cycle to the 2 year cycle? Because ... "the transportation fund needs the money". And now, those that have a hard time affording renewal tags, can now opt for a 1 year renewal instead. How mighty magnanimous of those in Annapolis.

Waiting for the 1 year renewal only to become law pretty soon, with an increase in costs of course.
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Hmm, so who do you think that is? I dont think Occams in hat
OccamsRazor said:
Lets do some basic math here. Based on Ken's numbers:

165,763 vehicles registers as Historic.
Now, let's say that just 30% of them are 'falsely' registered like that (much likely higher than that) = 49,729
Average cost to register a vehicle in MD = $161
Historic registration = $51
Difference = $110
Now, lets take the difference and multiply it out: $110 x 49,729

Total in lost revenue = $5,470,190

Not exactly chump change. EVERY.. YEAR.
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Not chump change, but compared to MDs 63 billion with a B budget. not a huge amount. I bet there are lot more ways the state wastes 5 million that has no benefit to anyone.

The state expects to raise 252 million just from these increases. Seems like 5 mil doesn't move that needle much.
 
Hijinx

Hijinx

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Does it really matter? In a few years , as soon as California makes a law stating that no car that burns fossil fuel is allowed on the road, Maryland's Democrats will bust their balls following , and the problem will be solved.
 
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