BLM - "Don't pull it out!" gets somehow interpreted as "you said to get his ID out."

Wishbone

New Member
Do we have body cam footage?

Do we any evidence that the guy didn't stop when asked? YOU HAVE AUDIO EVIDENCE FROM BOTH THE COP AND THE DECEASED

The officer's reaction DIRECTLY afterward is indicative of someone who knows they ####ed up. -- YES. First ####ing thing we can agree on at least partly.

The point is the Office did not commit murder, he did not kill Mr Castile because he's racist, he did not kill him because his tail-light was out, he did not kill him because he was a concealed carry holder.....

He killed him because he was already on alert from his expectation this "MIGHT" have been a suspect police were looking for, a firearm was present and the possessor of that firearm was either impaired or just slow to process and when the cop became alarmed he continued fumbling with something the officer believed to be the weapon.
 

Wishbone

New Member
That is NOT what I saw. It looked like someone who had gallons of adrenaline running through their bodies and had just killed a suspect that did not comply with a simple order. It looked like someone who was fearful of their life and had to make a horrible decision. Them or me.

If the kid had just put his hands on the wheel, the cop could have had him exit the vehicle while his partner located and secured the firearm. He would have been issued his ticket, given back his firearm, and been sent on his way. PERIOD!

Thank you. :yay:
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
The point is the Office did not commit murder, he did not kill Mr Castile because he's racist, he did not kill him because his tail-light was out, he did not kill him because he was a concealed carry holder.....

All points no one in this thread has made.
 

black dog

Free America
OK... The Police can't see the Halo hovering over their heads. So expecting them to take their word for a questionable motion isn't reasonable.

When the cop said "Don't reach for it then" followed by "Don't Pull it out" tells me whatever Mr Castille thought he was doing should have come to a stop.

The cop can't read his mind to know he's just impaired or whatever... The officers sentences tell me that he was under the impression, REGARDLESS of what Mr Castille thinks he's doing, that the suspect is pulling out the firearm.

Now if you are saying Police should be required to treat everybody as ZERO potential for harm, you're gonna get a lot of vacancies in the ranks.

After the officer was informed that the driver had a firearm, he again after he was told he asked for his driver's license and insurance paperwork again. The firearm hadn't and didn't bother anyone including the Officer.

And I will say this, if your a civil servant / agent of the government and the job of dealing with the public at large makes you uncomfortable and loose self control at the thought of a firearm before it has become a threat... You should seek other employment. I'll change that to you never should have finished the academy.
I would bet my daily rationing of donuts that if his academy records were opened it would show his poor performance under what he thinks is stress.

This citizen is dead and his firearm never left where it was stored.
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
I believe what it proves as has been shown numerous times now is that the cop was on high alert because Mr. Castille was black. Had he been white it is most likely he would have been more patient and lenient.

Growing up I had a lot of black friends and during any encounter we had with police they were always singled out or detained for further questioning while us white kids were given the benefit of the doubt. This was mostly in DC. One time we were all smoking pot in the park and the cops insisted the two black guys were our dealers and not just friends of ours.

Also as a young knuckle head I spoke to police in a way I know that my black friends couldn't have gotten away with.

I'm not saying all cops are racist but this situation was is certainly manslaughter to me
 

Wishbone

New Member
After the officer was informed that the driver had a firearm, he again after he was told he asked for his driver's license and insurance paperwork again. The firearm hadn't and didn't bother anyone including the Officer. -- According to the transcript you posted, he did not ask again for it.

JY Good. Uh reason I pulled you over do you, your brake lights are out. So you only have one
activated, active brake light and that's gonna be your passenger side one. Your third brake
Eight which is up here on top and then this one back here is gonna be out.
PC (inaudible)
JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)
...
 

Restitution

New Member
I believe what it proves as has been shown numerous times now is that the cop was on high alert because Mr. Castille was black. Had he been white it is most likely he would have been more patient and lenient.

Growing up I had a lot of black friends and during any encounter we had with police they were always singled out or detained for further questioning while us white kids were given the benefit of the doubt. This was mostly in DC. One time we were all smoking pot in the park and the cops insisted the two black guys were our dealers and not just friends of ours.

Also as a young knuckle head I spoke to police in a way I know that my black friends couldn't have gotten away with.

I'm not saying all cops are racist but this situation was is certainly manslaughter to me

Only reply worthy of this is :bs:
 

black dog

Free America
The point is the Office did not commit murder, he did not kill Mr Castile because he's racist, he did not kill him because his tail-light was out, he did not kill him because he was a concealed carry holder.....

He killed him because he was already on alert from his expectation this "MIGHT" have been a suspect police were looking for, a firearm was present and the possessor of that firearm was either impaired or just slow to process and when the cop became alarmed he continued fumbling with something the officer believed to be the weapon.

Where in the casual conversation was this officer on alert???? He was informed that the driver had firearm.. and he calmly again asked for his DL and Insurance paperwork.
 

Wishbone

New Member
And I will say this, if your a civil servant / agent of the government and the job of dealing with the public at large makes you uncomfortable and loose self control at the thought of a firearm before it has become a threat... You should seek other employment. I'll change that to you never should have finished the academy.
I would bet my daily rationing of donuts that if his academy records were opened it would show his poor performance under what he thinks is stress.

This citizen is dead and his firearm never left where it was stored.

Here I will agree with you 100%. He needs to be doing some other stress free, non-public job. Not police.
 

Wishbone

New Member
Where in the casual conversation was this officer on alert???? He was informed that the driver had firearm.. and he calmly again asked for his DL and Insurance paperwork.


After the officer was informed that the driver had a firearm, he again after he was told he asked for his driver's license and insurance paperwork again. The firearm hadn't and didn't bother anyone including the Officer. -- According to the transcript you posted, he did not ask again for it.

JY Good. Uh reason I pulled you over do you, your brake lights are out. So you only have one
activated, active brake light and that's gonna be your passenger side one. Your third brake
Eight which is up here on top and then this one back here is gonna be out.
PC (inaudible)
JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)
...
 

black dog

Free America
Let's remember that the driver and the passenger were telling the now screaming Officer that he wasn't going for a gun.
He was getting his license out like the officer had already told him to do.

JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.JY You have your license and insurance?

(pause/background noise)
PCJY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...

JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)
DR You just killed my boyfriend
PC I wasn't reaching ...
DR He wasn't reaching. ..
JY Don't pull it out!
DR He wasn't. | ^EXHI Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)
DR You just killed my boyfriend
PC I wasn't reaching ...
DR He wasn't reaching. ..
JY Don't pull it out!
DR He wasn't. | ^EXHI
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)
DR You just killed my boyfriend
PC I wasn't reaching ...
DR He wasn't reaching. ..
JY Don't pull it out!
DR He wasn't. | ^EXHI

The officer was informed that he had a firearm, and the officer replyed OK, the officer moved right past the fact he had a firearm and then told him to get his license and insurance information..
The officer was told more than a few times he was not getting the firearm.
But the officer had lost his cool and any since of reasoning shortly thereafter.

Yep you're right.. it still doesn't change my opinion of what happened.
We just don't shoot citizens that haven't broken any laws or threatened anyone.
Wanna guess why the Dept dismissed / fired him after he was found NG?
Even Paul Kersey had a valid reason to shoot folks.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
He killed him because he was already on alert from his expectation this "MIGHT" have been a suspect police were looking for, a firearm was present and the possessor of that firearm was either impaired or just slow to process and when the cop became alarmed he continued fumbling with something the officer believed to be the weapon.

Yes, the officer drove by the guy, made eye contact (which apparently is a "tell"), and noticed that Castile had a "wide nose".

The officer only knew of the firearm because Castile told him. Had he not told him, and the cop shot him after finding it in his pocket, I'm sure you'd be the first in line to claim he should have told the officer out of respect and courtesy.

The fact is, Castile interacted with the officer in a calm and polite manner. He had no problems following instructions prior to being shot (but the argument from you seems to be that he didn;t do it fast enough?). He handed over his insurance card as instructed. He was reaching for his wallet (which the officer told him to do) when he told the officer he was carrying a concealed firearm (to which the officer said, "ok") To me, you're excusing the officer killing an innocent person because he didn't react quick enough. Respectfully, that's asinine. Especially since the short time frame was the exact justification for the shooting.

The officer never said "let me see your hands", he never told Castile to stop. He instead said "Don't pull it out", to which both the driver and passenger said "I'm/he's not". Right after, the officer pulled his gun, screamed "Don't pull it out" and fired seven rounds into the car, with a 4 year old in the back seat. The fault lies with the officer. He never instructed Castile to do anything he didn't do. He assumed this was a robbery suspect on shaky terms, didn't clearly communicate what he wanted Castile to do, didn't follow procedure like telling him to put his hands on the dash (something you'd think he'd do if he suspected he was a robbery suspect), and went from 0-100 in an instant. Castile did everything he thought he should do (and what officers say you should do, i.e. disclosure of having a firearm regardless of being in a duty to inform state) and was killed for it.

Could Castile have done things different on his end, like don't tell him about the gun? Remain motionless? Sure, but claiming Castile could have been more keen to the officer's nervousness doesn't, and shouldn't equate to a justified shooting. The officer initiated the encounter. The officer did not remain calm. The officer did not communicate clearly.

At this point, we're arguing that Castile was doing what he thought was best, and what is asked by police agencies across the country, and that somehow outweighs the obvious recklessness and failures of the officer.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Yep you're right.. it still doesn't change my opinion of what happened.
We just don't shoot citizens that haven't broken any laws or threatened anyone.
Wanna guess why the Dept dismissed / fired him after he was found NG?
Even Paul Kersey had a valid reason to shoot folks.

Not disagreeing with you there , he has no business being a cop. To jumpy.
 

black dog

Free America
His original claim of "robbery suspect"

Well, with his calm demeanor during the beginning of the traffic stop I will say bull$$hit to him being on " alert "
Second, if he truly thought this was a felony suspect in today's world they would have preformed a felony stop on the victim.
And if other backup wasn't available all he had to do was pull them over and do a felony stop with him and his partner, that's one of the reasons for a PA system in police cars.
He and his partner empty the car of mom and dad and secure them before approaching the car.
I'm a firm believer that all the bull$hit was made up after the fact.
Not even his partner believed it happened..
 

black dog

Free America
Don't everyone forget the smell of burnt marijuana in the car.

You seem to hear that nowdays more than screaming at you while being tased
" Stop Resisting " repeatedly... Like someone could possibly stay still and relax while having the pee shocked out of you.
 
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