BLM - "Don't pull it out!" gets somehow interpreted as "you said to get his ID out."

[black dog]

Here's a transcript..

http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/Transcript.pdf


Yanez Audio Squad 151
July 6, 2016
JY:
PC:
DR:
JK:
JT:
BA:
JA:
GD:
TS;
UM:
Officer Jeronimo Yanez
Phifando Castiie
Diamond Reynolds
Officer Joseph Kauser
Officer Juan Toran
Officer Bryan Anderson
Sergeant Joe Adams
Officer Grant Datilio
Officer Tressa Sunde
Unknown Male
JY Hello sir.
PC (inaudible), how are you?
JY Good. Uh reason I pulled you over do you, your brake lights are out. So you only have one
activated, active brake light and that's gonna be your passenger side one. Your third brake
Eight which is up here on top and then this one back here is gonna be out.
PC (inaudible)
JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)
DR You just killed my boyfriend
PC I wasn't reaching ...
DR He wasn't reaching. ..
JY Don't pull it out!
DR He wasn't. | ^EXHIBIT ^
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62-CR-16-8110


JY Don't move! ####.
DR Oh man, I can't believe you just did that.
JY ####. ####!
DR Oh my God.
JY Don't move!
DR Oh my God.
JY Don't move!
DR Oh my God I'm shaking
JY Don't move!
DR Don't move baby.
JY Code 3. Get the baby giri outta here. Oh ####.
DR Don't, don't (inaudible) sir.
JY Don't move!
DR Don't move baby, please
JY ####.
DR Whatever you do...
JY 6921 get a, medic here code 3. Shots fired. Oh ####! (heavy breathing)
DR Stay with me.
JY Medics code 3!
DR We got pulled over for a busted tail Hght in the back.
JY ####.
DR ...he, he (inaudible)
JY (deep breath) ####!
DR ...my boyfriend. He's licensed. He's carries cuz he's licensed to carry. He was trying to get
out his ID in his wallet out his um, pocket and he let the officer know, that he was...
JY (heavy breathing)
DR ...(inaudible) he had a firearm...
JY (heavy breathing)
DR ...and he was reaching for his wailet. And the officer just shot him in his arm.
JY Ma'am just keep your hands where they are.
DR I will sir. I will sir.
JY (heavy breathing) ####!
DR He shot his arm off.
JY (heavy breathing)...
DR ...we got pulled over on Larpenteur and (inaudible)
JY I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand off it.
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DR He had... You told him to get his ID sir, and his driver's license. Oh my God piease don't tell
me he's dead.
JY (heavy breathing) oh ####.
DR Please don't teli me my boyfriend just went like that.
JY Just keep your hands where they are please.
DR Yes, I will sir 111 keep my hands where they are.
JY (heavy breathing)
DR Please don't tell me this Lord. Please Jesus
don't tell me that he's gone. (inaudible).
DR You shot four bullets into him sir.
DR He was just getting his license and his registration sir.
JY Get the female passenger out.
JK Ma'am exit the car right now with your hands up. Let me see your hands. Exit now.
JK Keep 'em up. Keep 'em up.
DR Where is my daughter? You got my daughter?
JK Face away from me and walk backwards.
JK Wa!k backwards towards me. Keep walking. Keep walking. Keep walking. Keep walking.
JT Get on your knees. Get on your knees.
JY 6910, one adult (sigh) 6921 !'m sorry. One adult female getting taken into custody. Driver,
(heavy breathing) at gunpoint. (sigh) Juvenile femaie, chiid is with 6920. May... .couple
other squads block off intersections (sirens) get supervisors here. Uh, page them out
BA What do you need Mo?
(Police sirens)
DR (Inaudible) Please Jesus no.
(Police sirens)
(Radio traffic)
DR Please noo.
(Radio traffic)
DR Please no.
JY Keep his hands where ...
JY You see both his hands.
JY i need someone with gloves on.
(Radio traffic)
JA Mo, are all officers up?
JY Ok.
JA Are all officers good?
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(Radio Traffic)
JA Are all officers good?
JY Ail officers are good.
JY We need it pulled it into park.
GD I'm gonna take your spot. i'm gonna take your spot (inaudible). Listen, I'm gonna take your
spot (inaudible).
GD I got your spot. Okay, I got <em, I got 'em. (inaudible).
(Radio traffic)
GD I got 'em here.
JY You got him?
GD I got *em, buddy.
(Radio Traffic)
GD I got him here.
(Radio Traffic)
JY Yeah.
UM Oh, you al! right?
JY ####.
UM You a!l right? You're not hit any are you?
JY No I'm not. ####ing A.
UM Walk back here.
JY (Heavy breathing) ####.
(Radio Traffic)
(inaudible Voices)
(Police sirens)
UM Yeah ! know, I got it.
JY (Heavy breathing)
(Radio Traffic)
JY (Heavy breathing) ####. ####ing A dude, !...
UM Hey.
JY I told him to ####ing stop, he had his hand on it. (heavy breathing) ####.
(Radio Traffic)
JY (Heavy Breathing) ####.
(Radio Traffic)
JY ####. Oh my gosh.
(Radio Traffic)
BA It's okay bud we got this.
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[black dog]

JY ####. Oh my gosh dude. (heavy breathing).
JY (Heavy breathing) Awww, ####.
JY Let's get some more squads here so we can ####ing biock off everybody, over there.
(Police sirens)
JY Awwww.
UM We got that blocked off down there, we go it blocked off here.
UM (Beep) Someone move a squad up along side over there...
JY (Heavy breathing)
UM ... move a squad up and block that
(Police sirens)
UM (Beep) anybody able to move a squad up to block (inaudible) across the street?
(Radio traffic)
UM (Beep) (inaudible) 85, traffic blocked off on (inaudible) can we get ah...
(Radio traffic)
(Police sirens)
UM Are you able to move a squad up?
TS You okay?
JY I'm ####ed up right now.
TS ! need you to breathe. Breathe. Which direction did you fire your weapon?
JY Right at the driver, I had it right out. Had it pointed down. I don't know how many rounds I let
out and I...
TS Okay. But you were, I just need to know, which one is your car, right here?
JY Mine's the one that pulied him over.
TS Okay. Did you point it directly at him?
JY Just directly and, I had it at my waist.
TS Was he sitting in the car, was it...
JY He was sitting in the car seat belted.
JY I told him (sigh) "can I see your license?" And then he toid me he had a firearm. I told him
not to reach for it. And when he went down to grab, I told him not to reach for it. (coughs).
And then he kept it right there, and I told him to take his hand off of it. And then he, he had
his grip a lot wider than a wallet.
TS Okay.
JY (sigh) And I don't know where the gun was, he didn't tell me where the ####ing gun was.
TS Okay.
JY And then it was just, getting hinky, he gave, he was just staring straight ahead and I was
getting ####ing nervous and then, I toid him, i know, I know, ####ing i told him to get his
####ing hand off his gun.
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TS Okay. Okay.
JY (Heavy breathing)
TS Is everybody, is everybody in...
JY ####.
TS ...is everybody En custody, do we have everybody?
JY (Heavy breathing)
TS Were there two people in the car?
JY Yeah.
JY ...three people in the car...
TS Three people in the car?
JY ...(inaudible) female, front passenger, the ah, little giri in the back.
TS Breathe.
JY And the dude.
TS Okay.
JY (heavy breathing)
JA From having been through this before...
JY (Heavy breathing)
JA .. .with this scenario (inaudible)...
TS (Inaudible) Okay.
JY (Heavy breathing)
TS Breathe.
JA ...So 1-1 know...
TS Breathe.
JA ...you wanna talk about it...
JY (heavy breathing)
JA ... But there's just things we need to know.
TS Yup.
JA If there's any other suspects...
JY (Heavy breathing).
JA ...you said no.
TS Yup.
JA What direction did you fire your weapon?
JY i had it down at hip, I had it pointed down, at diagonai.
JA (inaudible) sowerejust-just bringing (inaudible)
JY (inaudible) into the car. All the rounds are in the car.
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(inaudible multiple voices)
JA And then there's no outstanding suspect and nobody else injured that you know of.
JY Nobody else is injured that I know of, (sigh).
(Inaudible voices)
JA Okay. Let's get cha outta here buddy.
END OF TRANSCRIPT.
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[GURPS]

Seriously. If this was a white guy the NRA would have paid for his legal team and he would be a martyr for the cause.

But because he was black .......

right, because the NRA hates black people ....... got some proof skippy

 

[GURPS]

So it's ok to pull over citizens under false pretenses, just to fish ......

shait my negro, cops do that all the time

 

[officeguy]

Please cite where it says he was stoned....

Pre-trial motions. This is not even under dispute.

 

[Sapidus]

Pre-trial motions. This is not even under dispute.

What are you even talking about?

Having THC in your system is no indication that you are presently intoxicated. It's not like alcohol in that regard. But even if he was intoxicated why is that a reason to shoot him?

The transcript is clear that he understood the instructions and was complying and was not threatening in any way.

 

[Wishbone]

Actually the transcript indicates he failed to stop at the most critical time he needed to.


JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
----------------------------------This is where hands should have been put on the wheel and everything stopped escalating----
----------------------------------This is also where the officer should have told him to keep his hands on the wheel, got his partner in place so he could open the door and asks him to step out, disarm him etc.--- ( Black Dog? )
>>>Cont.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)

I dont think this officers temperament is as good as it should be for the job, however this is not the racist murdering cop that the terrorists at BLM claim it is.

 

[black dog]

Pre-trial motions. This is not even under dispute.

I have read no where that he infact was hi , stoned.. The only thing I have read is that THC was found in his system at time of death. That certainly doesn't mean he was high at the time of death.
Again, post a cite....

 

[stgislander]

So JY tells him not to reach for the gun, and PC starts to tell him he's reaching for his ID.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Actually the transcript indicates he failed to stop at the most critical time he needed to.


JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
----------------------------------This is where hands should have been put on the wheel and everything stopped escalating----
----------------------------------This is also where the officer should have told him to keep his hands on the wheel, got his partner in place so he could open the door and asks him to step out, disarm him etc.--- ( Black Dog? )
>>>Cont.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)

I dont think this officers temperament is as good as it should be for the job, however this is not the racist murdering cop that the terrorists at BLM claim it is.

That's easy to say when reading a transcript. In reality, it was 5 seconds. The officer told him to get his ID , and in the process informed the officer of his weapon. The officer said "don't reach for it" while the guy was reaching for his wallet.

The officer, presuming the guy who just told him he had a gun was going to go rogue and cause him harm, got freaked out.

Claiming the guy "should have just listened" while all that happened in a relatively short amount of time is disingenuous, but it's what the officer's defense team, and anyone who agreed with the officer is using.

 

[black dog]

Actually the transcript indicates he failed to stop at the most critical time he needed to.


JY You have your license and insurance?
(pause/background noise)
PC Sir, I have to teil you I do have a...
JY Okay.
PC ...firearm on me.
JY Okay.
PC I (inaudible)
JY Don't reach for it then.
PC I'm, 1,1 was reaching for...
JY Don't pull it out.
----------------------------------This is where hands should have been put on the wheel and everything stopped escalating----
----------------------------------This is also where the officer should have told him to keep his hands on the wheel, got his partner in place so he could open the door and asks him to step out, disarm him etc.--- ( Black Dog? )
>>>Cont.
PC I'm not pulling it out.
DR He's not...
JY Don't puii it out.
(gunshots)

I dont think this officers temperament is as good as it should be for the job, however this is not the racist murdering cop that the terrorists at BLM claim it is.

I read the the driver and the passenger were telling the officer he was getting his driver's license... But by then the screaming officer had lost all since of reasoning and control of the stop. If he would have kept his cool and watched and actually listened to the driver,,,, the shooting never would have happened.. let's remember his partner was on the other side of the car also watching what was going on. He stated I didn't understand why he shot and never saw any firearm.

 

[Wishbone]

That's easy to say when reading a transcript. In reality, it was 5 seconds. The officer told him to get his ID , and in the process informed the officer of his weapon. The officer said "don't reach for it" while the guy was reaching for his wallet.

The officer, presuming the guy who just told him he had a gun was going to go rogue and cause him harm, got freaked out.

Claiming the guy "should have just listened" while all that happened in a relatively short amount of time is disingenuous, but it's what the officer's defense team, and anyone who agreed with the officer is using.

I'm not giving the officer a pass here, but you are failing to see that Mr. Castille has some bearing on the outcome.'

I haven't even gotten into the discussion over the validity of the CCW.

If I were reaching for ANYTHING and heard him say the word "Don't" I'm stopping and asking "Officer, how would you like to proceed?"

 

[Wishbone]

I read the the driver and the passenger were telling the officer he was getting his driver's license... But by then the screaming officer had lost all since of reasoning and control of the stop. If he would have kept his cool and watched and actually listened to the driver,,,, the shooting never would have happened.. let's remember his partner was on the other side of the car also watching what was going on. He stated I didn't understand why he shot and never saw any firearm.

I watched the video twice. His partner was on the opposite side, to the rear of the vehichle and I wouldn't be too certain of what he could and could not see.

Asking now: Would you as a LEO just take it laissez faire when the wallet and firearm are within a couple inches and you couldn't clearly see both or would you have changed the procedure?

 

[glhs837]

I read the the driver and the passenger were telling the officer he was getting his driver's license... But by then the screaming officer had lost all since of reasoning and control of the stop. If he would have kept his cool and watched and actually listened to the driver,,,, the shooting never would have happened.. let's remember his partner was on the other side of the car also watching what was going on. He stated I didn't understand why he shot and never saw any firearm.

Have you watched the video?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

I watched the video twice. His partner was on the opposite side, to the rear of the vehichle and I wouldn't be too certain of what he could and could not see.

Asking now: Would you as a LEO just take it laissez faire when the wallet and firearm are within a couple inches and you couldn't clearly see both or would you have changed the procedure?

I'm curious of how many CCW holders who informed officers of their firearm went on to use that firearm on the officer.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

I'm not giving the officer a pass here, but you are failing to see that Mr. Castille has some bearing on the outcome.'

I haven't even gotten into the discussion over the validity of the CCW.

If I were reaching for ANYTHING and heard him say the word "Don't" I'm stopping and asking "Officer, how would you like to proceed?"

I get that, and as a CCW holder myself, I would do the same.

What I'm saying is that all that happened in seconds. Mr. Castile didn;t shoot Mr. Castile and the officers actions leading up to, during, and after the stop is what lead to Mr. Castiles death.

 

[Gilligan]

I'm curious of how many CCW holders who informed officers of their firearm went on to use that firearm on the officer.

Probably few to none. But that is not, and never will be, one of the items in any decision chain like that officer was facing. Did he blow it?...I'm in the "probably did" camp. But even the most trained LEO isn't going off in the mental weeds with "Statistically speaking, I know he isn't a threat" or "he looks just like my cousin Ronny and cousin Ronny would not hurt a flea..."

 

[officeguy]

I'm curious of how many CCW holders who informed officers of their firearm went on to use that firearm on the officer.

Yanez did not know that Castille had a permit to carry when he told him that he had a firearm. I don't believe MN automatically flags license plates with CCW status the way othe states apparently do.

As to your question, the answer is probably close to Zero.

I inform the officer of my permit, pretty much the first thing I do. I also have license, CHP, insurance and registration in hand when he walks up to the window. Just requires some thinking ahead.

 

[Sapidus]

Yanez did not know that Castille had a permit to carry when he told him that he had a firearm. I don't believe MN automatically flags license plates with CCW status the way othe states apparently do.

As to your question, the answer is probably close to Zero.

I inform the officer of my permit, pretty much the first thing I do. I also have license, CHP, insurance and registration in hand when he walks up to the window. Just requires some thinking ahead.

I'm guessing you are white. For a black man that is the exact wrong thing to do. I have seen instances where the cop then claimed "before I approached the vehicle I saw the victim reaching for something in the glove box and assumed it was a weapon"

That's just one way in which routine traffic stops are different for white people and people of color. If a black man is anything but docile and has his hands up the entire time things escalate much faster

 

[Gilligan]

I have seen instances

Links? Video?