Boy Scouts and Gay Rights Again.........

[tommyjones]

no, you said it,, are you hitting the crack pipe?

here is your crackpipe sir....

Im sure there have been gay scouts. but Im equally as sure that they kept it well hidden.

they dont want to hide it anymore. they want to be able to be openly gay.

and that just does not fit the requirments of the scouts

being a closted gay meets the requirements but being open and honest do not, interesting.

 

[Toxick]

I mean, would you hit on a lesbian and expect to get anywhere?

I spent most of my twenties doing exactly that.

 

[Xaquin44]

I spent most of my twenties doing exactly that.

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I mean, .... get anywhere?

 

[Dork]

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I mean, .... get anywhere?

I dated a lesbian when I was younger. I didn't know at the time but I definitely went all the way many times. She left me for another woman. My friends tell me that she decided to be gay after dating me.

 

[Toxick]

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I mean, .... get anywhere?

No :/

 

[2ndAmendment]

Because it's the same as saying If you are black or a jew or mexican or Bonehead go someplace else.

they are Boyscouts not straight boyscouts.

edit: 'What does being gay or straight have to do with being a scout?" Loosen up some of that packed fudge and maybe you'll be able to finger it out on your own.

I have a wife and child and am an eagle scout, but I guess you know me better than I do!

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

 

[PrchJrkr]

I normally don't give to the the kids outside selling stuff when you leave a store but I did recently when I saw Boy scouts selling popcorn. Even though it was a little expensive I bought that $7 can of popcorn to help support the boy scouts. Who would have ever thought they would have to challenge the gay thing. Boy scouts is a great organization to teach our kids responsibility, values, etc. Give them all the support you can.

I personally don't think the boys are going to jump up and down and tell you they are gay. Most aren't thinking about that a the age of 10. Sure, they should be allowed to join as long as they follow the rules set forth by the organization. If not, join somethng else. I do have a problem with gay adults leading the boy scouts. Why expose our kids to a perverse lifestyle if it can be avoided?

I agree 100% with Dork on this. That popcorn was pretty good, too.

 

[bcp]

being gay isn't a mental disorder ....

but I guess your bigotry is a bit on the high side to see it.

It's fine .... calling yourself an upstanding christian and hating on the side is cool .... I'm sure god is fine with it.

so not accepting those things that go against his religion equate to hate?

But, if he accepts and embraces those things, then he is going to be going against his religion...

wait, that cant work,,

ok, maybe he does not hate the person, but he hates the actions of that person, and, maybe he might just be willing to associate with and pray with someone that is trying to beat the illness of gaiety,

 

[bcp]

why do you think a gay guy is going to be so consumed with your franks and beans?

not being gay, i owuldn't know, but if the guy said "hey. i'm gay and thats an effed thing to say" i would apologize for being a dick

as far as the gay looking at the straights, you telling me they dont? you are not correct.

and for me apologizing for not liking the gay arts?
no, how about the gay guy apologize to me for his acting in a gay manner?

and then he can move on and look at someone elses package.

 

[bcp]

Theres no need for an addition to the Constitution, the mere fact that the Rights are Self Evident extends Homosexuals the same rights and privileges offered to Non-Homosexuals. There is the point that Gays ALSO pay taxes

The Government has a policy to not allow discrimination, one of the tenents of that Non-Discrimination practice is Sexual Orientation. If you want to accept the Governments (which is really Tax Payer) monies, then you have to abide by the Discrimination Policy.

so how come they felt the need to specifically mention race, creed and sex? dont those people pay tax also?

I think the best thing is for the boy scouts to not accept any government money, to only work off of donations, and to outright refuse to accept any homosexuals into the scouts, and to remove from the scouts any person found to be a homosexual after they join.

I would contribute to them, and Ive never even been a scout. All the guys I knew that were scouts were just a bit on the strange side growing up.

 

[bcp]

And thats ths Scouts problem, they want it both ways, they want the Government Dole yet dont want to abide by the rules that come with the money.

As long as they continue getting the Tax Payer funded handout they loose the ability to argue that they should be alowed to Discriminate.

and until homosexuality is written in to the constitution as a protected class, the boy scouts are not discriminating against someone that should be allowed to dictate their acceptance policies.

basically, when one choses (because there is no proof otherwise) to be gay, they basically are agreeing to the fact that their tax dollar might just go to something they dont agree with.

if we only payed tax on those things we agree with, I would only pay on roads, schools, and military. everything else to me is just fluff.

 

[bcp]

What the City of Philadelphia has said is that the Scouts can't accept funds from the City and continue to practice Discrimination.

The city of Philadelphia has the right to donate funds or not to any group it chooses.
if they dont want to donate to the boy scouts then they should stop any assistance.
the boy scouts then have the option to go on in philly as they were, but paying more, or (as would be my choice) move to a more accommodating city/state.
I certainly would not argue that the city should give me money if it does not agree with my position.

if the boy scouts are doing this, then that is where my problem lies.

 

[ItalianScallion]

It isn't a lifestyle choice or a disease....

Yes it is.

little boys hold hands, play with dolls, wear pink crocs, cry to their mommy, and shocker, some even take baths together. I think all of those would be considered gay if you did them....... well maybe not the crying to mommy part

They are still "innocent". Parents should eventually tell them what is right & wrong for boys & girls as they get older. Kids don't know what it means to do those things until they're told. As usual you bring up junk when you don't have the answer.

Look, up in the sky, its a bird, its a plane, no its Super Bigot

able to hate without understanding! able to make stupid generalizations with a single bound! able to spout off inaccurate statements that show their ignorance and not even notice!

bcp, the 4 you are debating with are expected to say these things because they have no absolute truth with which to base their "guesses" on so they start with the name calling. I can't believe the junk posted here earlier. "I know 3 people in the same family and only one of the kids are gay so it isn't a choice or all 3 would be gay". Well geniuses, I have a brother who is a basic failure in life and I have worked hard, made lots of money & retired young. Should I have been a failure too or did I just choose a different route? Wake up! I'll take the "narrow minded" road again and save you all 200 more posts: If God said it is wrong and a sin, then it is and NO ONE will win an argument against Him and He'll have the final say.
Now, I agree with Nucklesack here. If the Scouts want to prevent gays from leading the boy scouts then give up the government assistance. I have no problem with that. I've always said; if I get another church to lead, I will give up my tax exempt status so I can speak against the candidates I disagree with. There isn't much worse in America than having freedom of speech but not being able to use it because of government assistance. Who needs it! Keep your stupid money and I'll say what I want.

 

[Xaquin44]

basically, when one choses (because there is no proof otherwise) to be gay

I see the sky is still purple over your head.

 

[Xaquin44]

Yes it is.

no, it isn't and I have provided more then ample evidence supporting that fact.

bcp, the 4 you are debating with are expected to say these things because they have no absolute truth with which to base their "guesses" on so they start with the name calling.

well hey now, I'm 100% sure we aren't the only ones.

you are a bigot, plain and simple. You have seen the explanation of the scout oath on their own website which by default should make scouts fine with homosexuals. You have also ignored it, because you don't want to see it.

 

[The Dude]

Man good. Screw the scouts (teehee haha) for being anti gay. Oh well you can learn values and the advantages of being prepared and all sorts of useful things not to mention friendships and confidence.

unless you're one of them gays!

What does being gay or straight have to do with being a scout?


the answer is nothing.

The answer is (or should be), becasue they can. This is a private organization and they can include or exclude anyone they want based on whatever reasons they decide. I don't condone their actions, but the Boy Scouts are a private organization and are not run by the goverment. If they don't want homosexual people in their group, so be it.

I'm sure there are some gay scout masters out there though! Those guys just creep me out.

 

[The Dude]

Hmmm...maybe I should have read though this post a little bit before responding!

 

[Xaquin44]

The answer is (or should be), becasue they can. This is a private organization and they can include or exclude anyone they want based on whatever reasons they decide. I don't condone their actions, but the Boy Scouts are a private organization and are not run by the goverment. If they don't want homosexual people in their group, so be it.

I'm sure there are some gay scout masters out there though! Those guys just creep me out.

oh I know it's their right to exclude gay people .... I'm just saying that they shouldn't because there is no real reason to. Heck, their own oath by definition allows for homosexuals in scouts.

It's like saying we accept ALL people .... ALL PEOPLE no exceptions. WE ACCEPT ALL BOYS IN OUR ORGANIZATION NO EXCEPTIONS! It is our oath and we swear by it!

We do not accept homosexuals.

 

[The Dude]

oh I know it's their right to exclude gay people .... I'm just saying that they shouldn't because there is no real reason to. Heck, their own oath by definition allows for homosexuals in scouts.

It's like saying we accept ALL people .... ALL PEOPLE no exceptions. WE ACCEPT ALL BOYS IN OUR ORGANIZATION NO EXCEPTIONS! It is our oath and we swear by it!

We do not accept homosexuals.

Good point.

How old do you have to be to be a Boy scout? I don't understand how someone can know they are gay if they are a kid anyway. I mean...how do they know? And if a little boys know they are and are attracted other little boys...are they pedaphiles? It just seems a little strange to me.

 

[Dork]

oh I know it's their right to exclude gay people .... I'm just saying that they shouldn't because there is no real reason to. Heck, their own oath by definition allows for homosexuals in scouts.

It's like saying we accept ALL people .... ALL PEOPLE no exceptions. WE ACCEPT ALL BOYS IN OUR ORGANIZATION NO EXCEPTIONS! It is our oath and we swear by it!

We do not accept homosexuals.

Why have you spent the better part of the past few days on this topic? Did some scout leader put his finger up your butt when you were little and you actually liked it? You must have something better to do, like organize your sock drawer/??????