BREAKING NEWS: Mt. Hood Search Ends

[signora]

You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. Please don't tell me what to do or how I should feel about this situation. I'm not trying to convert you to my way of thinking....I'm just offering a different opinion.

I agree we all have a right to our own opinion. But what if the circumstances were different - what if that was one of your family members or friends. Would you feel the same way?

 

[BS Gal]

Courageous and self-gratificaton don't go together. The folks trying to find these guys are courageous, the thrill seeking climbers aren't.

I lub me some Otter. And Catt, also.

 

[BadGirl]

I agree we all have a right to our own opinion. But what if the circumstances were different - what if that was one of your family members or friends. Would you feel the same way?

First off, I don't have a knucklehead in my family who would attempt to do something so careless and reckless. Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door.

But what if I did have a close family member who wanted to do something like that? Well, if it had the same outcome of these yahoos, I'd be pissed, angry, irate, and foot-stomping mad that they put their own desires ahead of the needs of the family.

The mountain climber's family NEEDS them now, and unfortunately, that option isn't available to them anymore.

I don't see how anybody can say that their trek up a mountain-side was a wise decision.

And you all are missing a significant point. I AM sad that people are dead. I AM sad that families have to exist now without their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons/etc.

I refuse to call these guys heros or anything inspirational, because they're not. I call them for what they are: selfish and reckless.

 

[BS Gal]

First off, I don't have a knucklehead in my family who would attempt to do something so careless and reckless. Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door.

But what if I did have a close family member who wanted to do something like that? Well, if it had the same outcome of these yahoos, I'd be pissed, angry, irate, and foot-stomping mad that they put their own desires ahead of the needs of the family.

The mountain climber's family NEEDS them now, and unfortunately, that option isn't available to them anymore.

I don't see how anybody can say that their trek up a mountain-side was a wise decision.

And you all are missing a significant point. I AM sad that people are dead. I AM sad that families have to exist now without their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons/etc.

I refuse to call these guys heros or anything inspirational, because they're not. I call them for what they are: selfish and reckless.

 

[signora]

First off, I don't have a knucklehead in my family who would attempt to do something so careless and reckless. Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door.

But what if I did have a close family member who wanted to do something like that? Well, if it had the same outcome of these yahoos, I'd be pissed, angry, irate, and foot-stomping mad that they put their own desires ahead of the needs of the family.

The mountain climber's family NEEDS them now, and unfortunately, that option isn't available to them anymore.

I don't see how anybody can say that their trek up a mountain-side was a wise decision.

And you all are missing a significant point. I AM sad that people are dead. I AM sad that families have to exist now without their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons/etc.

I refuse to call these guys heros or anything inspirational, because they're not. I call them for what they are: selfish and reckless.

Any kind of sport can be dangerous - look at NASCAR. I don't see why those men want to race around a track. They too are putting their lives at risk and they don't seem to stop doing it nor does their family stop them. Some people feel the need to live their life as risk takers and others choose not to.

So maybe these type of people are selfish with how they take their life for granted, but it is their life and their choice. I'm sure their families and friends wish things could be different and wished they could have prevented them from going. But they didnt and in many ways they probably know the men died doing something they enjoyed doing.

 

[BS Gal]

Any kind of sport can be dangerous - look at NASCAR. I don't see why those men want to race around a track. They too are putting their lives at risk and they don't seem to stop doing it nor does their family stop them. Some people feel the need to live their life as risk takers and others choose not to.

So maybe these type of people are selfish with how they take their life for granted, but it is their life and their choice. I'm sure their families and friends wish things could be different and wished they could have prevented them from going. But they didnt and in many ways they probably know the men died doing something they enjoyed doing.

NASCAR is dangerous, but it doesn't take weeks and taxpayer $ to find an injured or dead NASCAR driver.

 

[chess]

This upsets me but at the same time it doesn't surprise me at all, simply for the fact, the chances of both of the hikers being alive are slim

 

[Dougstermd]

Courageous and self-gratificaton don't go together.

ok i need to think about this a little


nebermind I will just stick witth the self gratification

 

[Dougstermd]

First off, I don't have a knucklehead in my family who would attempt to do something so careless and reckless. Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door.

But what if I did have a close family member who wanted to do something like that? Well, if it had the same outcome of these yahoos, I'd be pissed, angry, irate, and foot-stomping mad that they put their own desires ahead of the needs of the family.

The mountain climber's family NEEDS them now, and unfortunately, that option isn't available to them anymore.

I don't see how anybody can say that their trek up a mountain-side was a wise decision.

And you all are missing a significant point. I AM sad that people are dead. I AM sad that families have to exist now without their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons/etc.

I refuse to call these guys heros or anything inspirational, because they're not. I call them for what they are: selfish and reckless.

do you need some chocolate or something

 

[flomaster]

Put parentheses in wrong spot. Whoops.

And trust me, I am very grateful for these people, too. These folks are true heros and people to be respected. Don't think for a second that I don't appreciate that some people in this world have helped to ensure my safety, comfort, and happiness.

But I'm confused as to why you would group these three men with their pursuit of self-gratification and thrill-seeking in with the honored men who work every day to protect our nation and our rights and comforts. It seems rather disrespectful to the true heros of our nation.

Because I was one of those men. I was a Marine who joined the Marine Corps because I loved my country and after the Beirut Bombing and the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the senseless murder of Sailor, Robert Stethem (who by the way was from Waldorf), by a terrorist monster, felt the need to give back to my country what countless others have done before me. When I got out I chose to take a job testing military helicopters putting my life at risk as a civilian because I loved it and because I was paying back the Marine Corps and my brothers for all they gave me. I loved to fly. Those three mountain climbers loved to climb. I didn't love my wife or daughter any less when I was flying than the day I married her and carried my baby girl for the first time.

They said good bye to their wives and headed out to do what was fun to them and they payed the ultimate price for it. It does not mean they didn't love their families. It just means they F'd up. People do that alll the time. People everyday enjoy dangerous hobbies and die because they love what they do. Our country gives us those liberties. Its people like me who are disrespected by the Cindy Shehans of the world so that climbers can climb and enjoy our great nation for what it has to offer.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

NASCAR is dangerous, but it doesn't take weeks and taxpayer $ to find an injured or dead NASCAR driver.

The Dale Earnhardt Investigation.

The Hendrick Plane Crash and the FAA investigation.

High courts intervening in Teresa Earnhardt vs. the media.

The successful attempt to save Jerry Nadeau's life.

The unsuccessful attempt to save laise Alexander's life.

Yeah, you're right, good point. Good thing NASCAR has their own hospitals, an ambulances, and Medivac choppers. Oh wait, they don't.

Sorry they tried to rescue these people.

I sure hope you would feel flooded with guilt if your mother's house was on fire and the fire department (AKA The Taxpayers) didn't waste the money to save her because she knew the risk of starting a fire in the fireplace.

 

[flomaster]

First off, I don't have a knucklehead in my family who would attempt to do something so careless and reckless. Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door......

So we agree on the sadness of the situation. That's good. Looks to me by what I read that you are the family control freak. I would never think to stop my family members in the pursuit of what makes them happy. You are totally wrong to ever interfere in anyones happiness.

Please understand that I understand what you are trying to convey but you have no right to stop anyone from doing what they want regardless of what it is.

Oh and by the way we pay taxes so when these things happen, people can be found using tax payer dollars just like the family who made a wrong turn recently and spent 9 days in the woods. They lost a father/husband but the wife and children were rescued. So you are going to say now that the father was an idiot because he didn't notice he made a wrong turn? Are you going to say that our tax dollars were wasted because the guy should have had a Magellan on the dash board? Hope and pray that nothing bad ever happens to anyone in your family or yourself that might cause us to "waste" tax dollars because of an error in judgement.

 

[johnjrval424]

This thread reminds me of something a few years ago. I was watching Channel 13 news in the morning and they were reporting on two kids who got stuck in a culvert pipe because they went exploring. They must have had 20 pieces of fire equipment out there to rescue the them.

Channel 13 was asking for opinions as to the amount of personnel responding. I sent an email and said that it could have been prevented if the kids parents had supervised them a little more closely. Marty Bass read it on the air and I got slammed big time (at least he did it anonymously). However, it didn't change my opinion.

While I was glad that the two boys were rescued and safe, it still ticked me off that all those people were called out for something that could have been prevented. That was a LOT of tax dollars spent (not to mention manpower and equipment).

Anyone remember Jessica McClure - the baby who fell in the well?

Guess my point is that s*** happens - voluntarily or involuntarily. If we didn't need emergency personnel, supported by our tax dollars, they wouldn't exist.

Okay...I'm bracing myself...

 

[Pushrod]

First off, I don't have a knucklehead in my family who would attempt to do something so careless and reckless. Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door.

But what if I did have a close family member who wanted to do something like that? Well, if it had the same outcome of these yahoos, I'd be pissed, angry, irate, and foot-stomping mad that they put their own desires ahead of the needs of the family.

The mountain climber's family NEEDS them now, and unfortunately, that option isn't available to them anymore.

I don't see how anybody can say that their trek up a mountain-side was a wise decision.

And you all are missing a significant point. I AM sad that people are dead. I AM sad that families have to exist now without their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons/etc.

I refuse to call these guys heros or anything inspirational, because they're not. I call them for what they are: selfish and reckless.

I see you have no spirit for exploration and adventure, but please don't disparage those that do. If it wasn't for people like that this country would never have been discovered by the Europeans, infact Europe probably wouldn't have been populated and we would all probably still be living in stick houses in Africa.
It's our drive for adventure and expanding our limits that widens our horizons and has brought humanity to where we are now.

 

[Penn]

Bottom line? These three men effed up, as someone elso so eloquently put it.

It also came out that these expert climbers did not pack the necessary gear they could have used to survive for more than a few days, in an ice cave, for example.

I agree with you who have said they were persuing something they loved to do; no question about that.

I do NOT think their decision was a smart one - to climb Mt. Hood this time of the year - not with the tremendous amount of snowfall it had received.

Sometimes, maybe, people ought to rock back in the chair and ask themselves a question: "Is this a good idea?"

 

[jetmonkey]

Because I was one of those men. I was a Marine who joined the Marine Corps because I loved my country and after the Beirut Bombing and the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the senseless murder of Sailor, Robert Stethem by a terrorist monster(who by the way was from Waldorf), felt the need to give back to my country what countless others have done before me. When I got out I chose to take a job testing military helicopters putting my life at risk as a civilian because I loved it and because I was paying back the Marine Corps and my brothers for all they gave me. I loved to fly. Those three mountain climbers loved to climb. I didn't love my wife or daughter any less when I was flying than the day I married her and carried my baby girl for the first time.

They said good bye to their wives and headed out to do what was fun to them and they payed the ultimate price for it. It does not mean they didn't love their families. It just means they F'd up. People do that alll the time. People everyday enjoy dangerous hobbies and die because they love what they do. Our country gives us those liberties. Its people like me who are disrespected by the Cindy Shehans of the world so that climbers can climb and enjoy our great nation for what it has to offer.

Muhammed Ali Hammadi was from Waldorf?

 

[signora]

Bottom line? These three men effed up, as someone elso so eloquently put it.

It also came out that these expert climbers did not pack the necessary gear they could have used to survive for more than a few days, in an ice cave, for example.

I agree with you who have said they were persuing something they loved to do; no question about that.

I do NOT think their decision was a smart one - to climb Mt. Hood this time of the year - not with the tremendous amount of snowfall it had received.

Sometimes, maybe, people ought to rock back in the chair and ask themselves a question: "Is this a good idea?"

Nobody knows how long they have to live. It is sad when someone has cancer, when a young person loses their life tragically or when someone we love dies. And we question why? But we all know we are going to die one day and it can’t be prevented. So we should live our lives to the fullest and do thinks that make us happy. Life is not easy, we are challenged everyday with decisions that we make and yes, we all make mistakes – nobody is perfect.

Maybe these men could have prevented their own death and maybe it’s not fair that the tax payers have to pay for the Search and Rescue. But that’s part of life and the world we live in.

 

[Spudtrooper]

I know military men and women who love their families yet they are fighter pilots, ground pounders and even astronauts and they do what they do because they love what they do and they love their country. They take risks everyday and put themselves in harms way because they want to and their duties put them there. Remember they put themselves in there because we have an all volunteer military.

Those men loved the thrill of climbing mountains. How dare anyone say they loved their families less than there passion for what they do. Tell any one of our military members who love their country that they love their country more than family. They are there for love of country and to keep us arguing about what constitutes a tragedy or not. Go ahead and accuse them of not loving their families enough and being dumb azz'es for doing what they love. Those climbers were doing what they loved and it bit them. These things happen.

Rather die doing what I love than die at the hands of some drunk driver or teenager who is crusing down 235 at 100MPH plus.

God, I need a beer.

If you can compare the brave people that fight for our country to people that willingly put themselves in harms way to do something for a thrill...you are just as careless as they are. It is sad that they made thier choices and paid the price. Yes, that is sad. It is not however comprable to a soldier or astronaut. I feel for thier families as well. I even feel for them. Sad, that they were so ignorant that they took such a risk.

 

[jetmonkey]

Why is it sad? Before they found themselves slowly freezing to death they probably all would have said they would prefer to die doing something they loved. We should be celebrating thier good fortune.

 

[flomaster]

Muhammed Ali Hammadi was from Waldorf?

Sorry, Captain Morgan and I missed that one. Nice catch. Fixed it. LOL