BREAKING NEWS: Mt. Hood Search Ends

[bohman]

Secondly, if I did have someone in my family who would attempt to do something with such disregard for their safety and the secure standing of the family, I'd kill them myself before they ever stepped foot out of the door.

At what point do you draw the line on acceptable risk? You DO have a member of your family that uses a riskier form of transportation than most of us. While I've gotten the impression that he takes steps to reduce the risk (ATGATT?) there are still plenty of people who would argue that the remaining risk is still unacceptable. No one NEEDS to ride a bike; it's done for self-gratification.*

*Disclaimer to all the riders on the board: No, I don't actually have a problem w/ motorcycles, nor do I consider it as dangerous as climbing Mt. Hood in the winter. Just playing devil's advocate. As a boater, I also participate in an activity that is often labeled dangerous and un-necessary.

 

[flomaster]

At what point do you draw the line on acceptable risk? You DO have a member of your family that uses a riskier form of transportation than most of us. While I've gotten the impression that he takes steps to reduce the risk (ATGATT?) there are still plenty of people who would argue that the remaining risk is still unacceptable. No one NEEDS to ride a bike; it's done for self-gratification.*

*Disclaimer to all the riders on the board: No, I don't actually have a problem w/ motorcycles, nor do I consider it as dangerous as climbing Mt. Hood in the winter. Just playing devil's advocate. As a boater, I also participate in an activity that is often labeled dangerous and un-necessary.

She obviously doesn't think its risky or her family member would have been killed by her own hand. How dare someone take a risk in pursuit of what makes them happy. Think we should go back in time and kill all the explorers and pilgrims and so on and so on and so on. Put that boat away. Might sink!

 

[BadGirl]

Jeebus Cripes.

I never said that people can't or shouldn't participate in risky behavior. What I did say, and what I mean, is that people should look at a bigger picture when they participate in activities and behaviors that put them at risk. Imagine what it would be like if you were injured or killed while participating in this behavior, and the impact it would be to your family and friends.

Mountain climbing in itself is a risky behavior, but mountain climbing in winter with dangerously wicked winds and snow is just crazy. The risk to limb and life is/was very real.

Riding a motorcycle is risky, I"ll give you that. But with the bike, the gear, the roads traveled, the distance of the commute, and the speed limits of the roads, the training and the years of experience Bob has helps to mitigate his risk. Am I frightened when he takes the road? You betcha. But I am more feaful not of his riding abilities, but of other drivers stupidity and inattentiveness.

I've participated in risky behavior, too, when I was younger. Sky-diving, snow-skiing, water-skiing, and driving up to Waldorf, as well as a few other things that make me cringe. But would I do that today - with the changes in my family dynamics? Well, other than the occassional trip to Waldorf, it would never occur to me to risk my health and my life to go skydiving, and potentially leaving my infant son without my love and physical standing. I need to be here to take care of him for as long as possible.

It really is that simple: everyone wants in life to be there for their family and friends, and to be able to provide for them, care for them, and enjoy in life's many riches.

I'd rather sit at my loved one's beside and hold their hand as they left this world, than imagine the horrific death they suffered as they froze to death on the side of a mountain.

 

[BadGirl]

She obviously doesn't think its risky or her family member would have been killed by her own hand. How dare someone take a risk in pursuit of what makes them happy. Think we should go back in time and kill all the explorers and pilgrims and so on and so on and so on. Put that boat away. Might sink!

Now you're just being an effin' azz.

 

[flomaster]

Now you're just being an effin' azz.

Ouch! She said effin! No hard feelings. Its Christmas time. Bottom line is we are all different. Glad we can chat about these things like human beings. In some places this whole thing could have started a Jihad.

Are we all good now? Serious.

 

[BadGirl]

Ouch! She said effin! No hard feelings. Its Christmas time. Bottom line is we are all different. Glad we can chat about these things like human beings. In some places this whole thing could have started a Jihad.

Are we all good now? Serious.

:shrug: I was trying to play nice and explain my position, but you took to a personal mocking attack at me.

So tell me, are we good now?

 

[flomaster]

:shrug: I was trying to play nice and explain my position, but you took to a personal mocking attack at me.

So tell me, are we good now?

Mock mock mock mock mock. Okay, now I am done. We are good. It wasn't personal at all. I don't know you. You have an opinion. I didn't like yours and you didn't like mine.

 

[Otter]

:shrug: I was trying to play nice and explain my position, but you took to a personal mocking attack at me.

So tell me, are we good now?

Geez, Badgirl, you just didn't realize how dangerous it is to scrape a cyclist off the street or gaff a floating body from a overturned boat, did ya?. These rescues are every bit as dangerous as searching a snow covered mountain and just as cheap.

I hope you've been educated now, girl.

 

[BS Gal]

Geez, Badgirl, you just didn't realize how dangerous it is to scrape a cyclist off the street or gaff a floating body from a overturned boat, did ya?. These rescues are every bit as dangerous as searching a snow covered mountain and just as cheap.

I hope you've been educated now, girl.

 

[bohman]

Mountain climbing in itself is a risky behavior, but mountain climbing in winter with dangerously wicked winds and snow is just crazy. The risk to limb and life is/was very real.

I'm just exploring the subject a bit, don't want to too much. I'm pretty much in agreement w/ you; mountain climbing is ok, climbing with no regard to weather forecasts and proper equipment is not. But where do we draw the line on other activities?

Riding a motorcycle is risky, I"ll give you that. But with the bike, the gear, the roads traveled, the distance of the commute, and the speed limits of the roads, the training and the years of experience Bob has helps to mitigate his risk. Am I frightened when he takes the road? You betcha. But I am more feaful not of his riding abilities, but of other drivers stupidity and inattentiveness.

I've participated in risky behavior, too, when I was younger. Sky-diving, snow-skiing, water-skiing, and driving up to Waldorf, as well as a few other things that make me cringe. But would I do that today - with the changes in my family dynamics? Well, other than the occassional trip to Waldorf, it would never occur to me to risk my health and my life to go skydiving, and potentially leaving my infant son without my love and physical standing. I need to be here to take care of him for as long as possible.

Almost any "risky" activity can be acceptable if steps are taken to reduce risk. I'll still go boating, but PFDs will be worn, equipment maintained, and attention given to weather and tides. I won't be skydiving, either, though.

You just seemed so dead-set against these climbers (reckless and dumb as they were) that I had to ask questions.

 

[mv_princess]

Them going and climbing that mountain, was a risk. And one that shouldn't have been taken.

you can sit here and say everything is a risk, and 235 is dangerous. But I bet you wouldn't go out on 235 in the middle of an Ice Storm on a bike, just for a thrill. Common sense gets the best of a few people.

What the guys did was selfish, in everyway possible. Those poor families. but think about it, if you had the chance to climb a mountain in the middle of a dangerous snow storm would you go?

 

[juggy4805]

Them going and climbing that mountain, was a risk. And one that shouldn't have been taken.

you can sit here and say everything is a risk, and 235 is dangerous. But I bet you wouldn't go out on 235 in the middle of an Ice Storm on a bike, just for a thrill. Common sense gets the best of a few people.

What the guys did was selfish, in everyway possible. Those poor families. but think about it, if you had the chance to climb a mountain in the middle of a dangerous snow storm would you go?

Heck nah. I'm not climbing a mountain period.

 

[mv_princess]

Heck nah. I'm not climbing a mountain period.

but its a simple thing...

People on here that ride bikes, aren't going to go out in the middle of an ice storm, just because they "need to ride"

 

[Cowgirl]

Well, what about people that build their houses and businesses below sea level? What about people that build their houses on beaches or on cliffs because it's "cool." They are wasting tax payers dollars too....every freakin time they have to rebuild it's just a waste of money. People do stupid things every day....Just because you or I wouldn't do it, doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Stupid maybe...but not wrong.

 

[flomaster]

Well, what about people that build their houses and businesses below sea level? What about people that build their houses on beaches or on cliffs because it's "cool." They are wasting tax payers dollars too....every freakin time they have to rebuild it's just a waste of money. People do stupid things every day....Just because you or I wouldn't do it, doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Stupid maybe...but not wrong.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Them going and climbing that mountain, was a risk. And one that shouldn't have been taken.

you can sit here and say everything is a risk, and 235 is dangerous. But I bet you wouldn't go out on 235 in the middle of an Ice Storm on a bike, just for a thrill. Common sense gets the best of a few people.

What the guys did was selfish, in everyway possible. Those poor families. but think about it, if you had the chance to climb a mountain in the middle of a dangerous snow storm would you go?

OK, so they shouldn't have been rescued? We should just let them die?

Should we let every person that goes into a hospital from a car accident die? Car accident's happen everyday. People die in those everyday...

 

[BS Gal]

OK, so they shouldn't have been rescued? We should just let them die?

Should we let every person that goes into a hospital from a car accident die? Car accident's happen everyday. People die in those everyday...

You're comparing apples and oranges. Mountain climbing vs. driving a car?

 

[BadGirl]

Well, what about people that build their houses and businesses below sea level? What about people that build their houses on beaches or on cliffs because it's "cool." They are wasting tax payers dollars too....every freakin time they have to rebuild it's just a waste of money. People do stupid things every day....Just because you or I wouldn't do it, doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Stupid maybe...but not wrong.

No argument from me on this.

 

[mv_princess]

OK, so they shouldn't have been rescued? We should just let them die?

Should we let every person that goes into a hospital from a car accident die? Car accident's happen everyday. People die in those everyday...

And maybe we should let you jump off a bridge. wouldn't that be fun??


One has nothing to do with the other. There are every day dangers. Then there are dangers that you put yourself in. climbing a mountain in the middle of a freaking snow storm, is a danger that could have been avoided.

 

[remaxrealtor]

And trust me, I am very grateful for these people, too. These folks are true heros and people to be respected. Don't think for a second that I don't appreciate that some people in this world have helped to ensure my safety, comfort, and happiness.

But I'm confused as to why you would group these three men with their pursuit of self-gratification and thrill-seeking in with the honored men who work every day to protect our nation and our rights and comforts. It seems rather disrespectful to the true heros of our nation.

Thank God there are intelligent people like you out there...great post!