BREAKING NEWS: Mt. Hood Search Ends

Redskinsmama said:
and i know one thing you don't have...class, compassion, respect for lives lost. i'm over this thread. i hope that nothing bad ever happens to you guys, because i will be the first person on here posting a thread badgering your actions.
No, I have compassion and I'm sorry they lost their lives. I won't go into the class thing. When that family was lost in Oregon I was feeling sorry for them, still do, because that was a series of events largely out of their control that lead to the tragedy and eventually the lucky rescue. They had no idea that they were going into a dangerous and potentially deadly situation. The mountain climbers did. The bottom line is they could have been better prepared. Maybe others will learn from their mistakes, but I doubt it. It happens several times a year up there.
 

bohman

Well-Known Member
BREAKING NEWS: Mt. Hood... 12-21-2006 02:10 PM If you're agreeing why are you being such a devil's advocate pain in the azz?

Like I said, I'm bored today and needed to stir up some conversation. Same reason I'm responding to red, and posting to a :dead: thread that ended hours ago. Got another 1/2 hour till I leave for happy hour and Christmas shopping...
 

Azzy

New Member
BadGirl said:
It's not a tragedy. Tragedy happens because of circumstances beyond anyone's control. These people were in complete control of their decision to climb that mountain in snowy wintery conditions.

Too bad they didn't love their families just a little bit more and their mountain climbing a little less.
Amen. I feel bad for their families but I have a hard time feeling bad for stupid people :ohwell: Should people that do this kinda chit be considered for Darwin awards? I think they should.
 

flomaster

J.F. A sus ordenes!
Azzy said:
Amen. I feel bad for their families but I have a hard time feeling bad for stupid people :ohwell: Should people that do this kinda chit be considered for Darwin awards? I think they should.

Are you and Badgirl related?
 

Azzy

New Member
flomaster said:
I know military men and women who love their families yet they are fighter pilots, ground pounders and even astronauts and they do what they do because they love what they do and they love their country. They take risks everyday and put themselves in harms way because they want to and their duties put them there. Remember they put themselves in there because we have an all volunteer military.
That is SO different :smack:
 

Azzy

New Member
flomaster said:
Are you and Badgirl related?
No but if I got a thrill out of playing in traffic and got hit by a car, I would be a moron to expect anyone to feel bad for me :shrug:
 

Azzy

New Member
flomaster said:
Read the whole thing and get back to me.
Sorry, I have ADD and don't really feel like it. Comparing the military to mountain climbing doesnt take three paragraphs for me to realize its different.
 

BadGirl

I am so very blessed
signora said:
A tragedy is an event with a sad outcome. Maybe it was not a tragedy to you and others who did not know these 3 men, but it was to their family. People should not judge others on how they choose to live their lives. Nor should you assume they did not love their families. They were doing something they enjoyed doing and they lost their lives because of it.

What if a member of your family was doing something that they enjoyed doing, but others saw it as wrong and could have been prevented. Would you still feel the same.

Actually having just come from there, and sitting in the dining room at the Hotel with one of the mothers and four of one of the climbers friends, they didn't seem to be too broken up about it. As a matter of fact the concensus out there was that they were too experienced to have made the stupid mistakes they did. It came across to me that all those involved were happy they died doing what they liked to do, but all the fault fell on their shoulders. They didn't take the required equipment that they would have needed in an emergency, they didn't have enough food water or equipment to keep warm, they should have NEVER have split up, and finally, the one they left behind had no debilitating injury that would have prevented him from coming down the mountain.

They went out outside of the "normal" climbing season, when snowstorms can pick up in a couple of hours (like it did) unprepared for the worst. Three very experienced climbers that planned for an easy climb and ascent in a single day in the month of December, and went in like they were taking a walk on the beach in Jun. STUPID..

People complained about the rescue effort, some even saying you go outside the normal bounds and go against what is acceptable behavior you should be on your own, but in answer to that, the rescuers or at least 80% are unpaid Mount Hood Rescue Vounteers from around the country, they drop everything (to include Christmas) to answer the call to rescue a climber in need.

Don't know if anyone remembers, but this mountain, as LITTLE and as SHORT as it looks from where I was (it deos appear like it would be an easy day climb) , has a recent past.. the BlackHawk that rolled down the moutnain during a mountain rescue.. Mount Hood.. and the same Rescuer sitting in the back who had the helicopter roll over him when he was thrown out, was back up there last week, doing it all again.

Kind of neat to see a whole community get behind an effort to go get three people, but they all agreed, these climbers put themselves into that predicament, but hoped if someday they made a stupid mistake someone would come get them too.

So was this a tragedy? NO, this was one of the expected conclusions to what they set out to do, and they knew it. This was an expected event this time of year, and in these conditions.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
signora said:
A hero can be looked at as someone who does something courageous. Maybe we can't compare them to the men and women in our Armed Forces, but if they had survived and successfully climbed the mountain others would have considered them heros because they did something courageous that others would never dare to do.

So whether right or wrong it really doesn't matter - we can't forget the fact that they were 3 human beings that deserve some respect so just let them rest in peace.
I'm sorry, going up a mountain unprepared, in DECEMBER isn't heroic it's STUPID.. now if they tehmselves were up there trying to rescue some week-end climber and this happened THAT would be heroic, this whole climb had stupid written all over it when they got out of their car(s)
 
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