Bush holds veto pen over stem cell bill

[Larry Gude]

Are you going to be the one...

As with ANY situation, there will always be those people who take everything to the extreme.

...who says "No 90 year olds get heart transplants or pacemakers."

How would you word that?

Would the cut off be at 80?

Only non smokers?

Only people with living children?

Only people who can still do a 15 minute mile?

Only people with a living spouse?

 

[vraiblonde]

I personally know of a guy who received "stem cell therapy" and it sent his cancer into remission

So you're saying that there's no need for federal dollars because it's already a viable treatment option?

 

[SamSpade]

Soylent Green is PEOPLE!





Ok, sorry, just had to do that. Carry on.....

 

[Midnightrider]

So what you're asking is, would I let doctors turn my sick child into a guinea pig for doctors to experiment on. The answer again is 'no'.

So if the practice was evolved and mature you would do it, youre jsut against it for the fact that it is experimental?

I am against the idea in general, but on the specifics I am less firm.

 

[Larry Gude]

If stem cells aren't human...

...and taste good, would it be OK to open a stem cell restaurant so they don't go to waste?

What if we just shipped it off to starving people in famine struck parts of the world? What if it proves particularly nutritious and far more economical in terms of cost vs. benefit than, say, a sack of rice? It would save lives.

Why not?

Some people eat afterbirth, right? Some people chew their nails.

 

[MMDad]

there must be laws to say what can be and can't be done. There must be LIMITS.

That's exactly what happened yesterday. Limits were set. Since you acknowledge that limits must be set, what's your point?

 

[Midnightrider]

...and taste good, would it be OK to open a stem cell restaurant so they don't go to waste?

What if we just shipped it off to starving people in famine struck parts of the world? What if it proves particularly nutritious and far more economical in terms of cost vs. benefit than, say, a sack of rice? It would save lives.

Why not?

Some people eat afterbirth, right? Some people chew their nails.

I got a steaming pile of poo if anybody is interested

 

[Larry Gude]

Let me know...

I got a steaming pile of poo if anybody is interested

...if it is good for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placentophagy

Apparently, eating the placenta may be.

 

[Toxick]

...and taste good, would it be OK to open a stem cell restaurant so they don't go to waste?

...

Some people eat afterbirth, right? Some people chew their nails.

Are you saying that fingernails and afterbirths taste good?


I'm not morally against eating a steaming pile of stem cells - but much like eating fingernails or placentas it's pretty effing gross.

 

[vraiblonde]

So if the practice was evolved and mature you would do it, youre jsut against it for the fact that it is experimental?

Honestly, if it becomes a normal practice that nobody thought a thing about, I'd probably do it.

Abortion is something that used to be revolting, but is now of no more consequence than clipping your nails. My objection is:

1. Spending our tax dollars on it
2. The callous way we treat human life these days

Then there's the slippery slope argument. First this, what next?

 

[Kerad]

...they are alive and they are human. There simply is no way around that. You can't mis-identify a human stem cell as being a tree or a snail darter or a bug. It is human.

Then I agree to disagree. To you it's a human. To me, it is a human stem cell. A drop of my blood contains human cells...that does not make it a human.

 

[vraiblonde]

Honestly, if it becomes a normal practice that nobody thought a thing about, I'd probably do it.

Actually, you know what? That's not true. I'm the person who wouldn't even go in for chemo if I had cancer. I hate doctors and I hate medical treatments.

So no, I probably wouldn't have it done.

 

[sugarmama]

Honestly, if it becomes a normal practice that nobody thought a thing about, I'd probably do it.

Abortion is something that used to be revolting, but is now of no more consequence than clipping your nails. My objection is:

1. Spending our tax dollars on it
2. The callous way we treat human life these days

Then there's the slippery slope argument. First this, what next?

[QUOTE-vraiblonde]If you DID know me, you'd know that I'm not a person who throws my values and principles away when it becomes convenient for me to do so. YOU may do that, but I do not.[/QUOTE]

You JUST said that you wouldn't throw your values and principles away when it becomes convenient to do so.
Thank you very much--I just caught Vrai flip-flopping.
So, when it becomes convenient to save your own child, you'd suddently support it and do it?

 

[sugarmama]

Actually, you know what? That's not true. I'm the person who wouldn't even go in for chemo if I had cancer. I hate doctors and I hate medical treatments.

So no, I probably wouldn't have it done.

Now THAT is crazy talk.

 

[sugarmama]

...who says "No 90 year olds get heart transplants or pacemakers."

How would you word that?

Would the cut off be at 80?

Only non smokers?

Only people with living children?

Only people who can still do a 15 minute mile?

Only people with a living spouse?

It's not that hard--if your failing organs (or whatever) are failing due to a DISEASE and not OLD AGE, then they would be eligible for stem cell therapy.

 

[citysherry]

...and taste good, would it be OK to open a stem cell restaurant so they don't go to waste?

What if we just shipped it off to starving people in famine struck parts of the world? What if it proves particularly nutritious and far more economical in terms of cost vs. benefit than, say, a sack of rice? It would save lives.

Why not?

Some people eat afterbirth, right? Some people chew their nails.

Oh the franchise possibilities....Welcome to Human Secretions

 

[sugarmama]

...and taste good, would it be OK to open a stem cell restaurant so they don't go to waste?

What if we just shipped it off to starving people in famine struck parts of the world? What if it proves particularly nutritious and far more economical in terms of cost vs. benefit than, say, a sack of rice? It would save lives.

Why not?

Some people eat afterbirth, right? Some people chew their nails.

Larry, that's retarded and you know it. If eating the stem cells at the stem cell restaurant would SAVE LIVES, then sure, open up the restaurant.

 

[sugarmama]

That's exactly what happened yesterday. Limits were set. Since you acknowledge that limits must be set, what's your point?

True. I'm not so much arguing about the federal funding for the research. I'm more arguing about the ethics/morals associated with the research.

 

[citysherry]

Larry, that's retarded and you know it. If eating the stem cells at the stem cell restaurant would SAVE LIVES, then sure, open up the restaurant.

 

[sugarmama]

Then I agree to disagree. To you it's a human. To me, it is a human stem cell. A drop of my blood contains human cells...that does not make it a human.

I COMPLETELY agree with you Kerad! I just don't get why everyone else doesn't understand that/? It's so simple to m e.