Calvert County

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Yes you may.... show your own cluelessness, that is.

A few minutes of research might help, starting with the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). Yes, the CDC is a nonprofit private organization, but its rulemaking is enshrined in federal law. Like it or not, what the CDC says does "mean squat," and as a citizen of the United States you are obligated to its decisions.

For a single relevant and very simple example, consider the CFR Title 42 → Chapter I → Subchapter F → Part 70

42 CFR 70 - eCFR

Title 42, part 70 of the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations.

gov.ecfr.io

§70.2 Measures in the event of inadequate local control.
Whenever the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention determines that the measures taken by health authorities of any State or possession (including political subdivisions thereof) are insufficient to prevent the spread of any of the communicable diseases from such State or possession to any other State or possession, he/she may take such measures to prevent such spread of the diseases as he/she deems reasonably necessary, including inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, and destruction of animals or articles believed to be sources of infection.

You may wish to read the rest of that page, as it's all relevant.

Yup. I read it. All about the control of known infected individuals, or animals, with a communicable disease. Nothing here allows them to restrict the travels of healthy people, or mandate people wear masks.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If I may ...


Yup. I read it. All about the control of known infected individuals, or animals, with a communicable disease. Nothing here allows them to restrict the travels of healthy people, or mandate people wear masks.

You don't think mask mandates fall under "such measures to prevent such spread of the diseases as he/she deems reasonably necessary"?

 

[Goldenhawk]

...this flu shite is no more dangerous than anything else floating around out in the air...

Except that data from every country around the globe, with 2.2 million confirmed cases and 150k deaths, shows that it is much more contagious and 10 times more lethal. So you're wrong.

 

[NorthBeachPerso]

Except that data from every country around the globe, with 2.2 million confirmed cases and 150k deaths, shows that it is much more contagious and 10 times more lethal. So you're wrong.

Isn't it amazing how whenever someone serves up the biggest cup of stupid you've ever seen that someone else is able to supersize it?

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

You don't think mask mandates fall under "such measures to prevent such spread of the diseases as he/she deems reasonably necessary"?

In an enclosed setting, sure. That's why, they issued their "guidance" and "recommendations". Because they know they cannot force or mandate the public to do so.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Except that data from every country around the globe, with 2.2 million confirmed cases and 150k deaths, shows that it is much more contagious and 10 times more lethal. So you're wrong.

Uhhh, nope. I'm not wrong. You're stupidly ignorant.
Here is something more contagious... 1 Billion Cases Worldwide~Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year.

www.medicinenet.com

How about this ... "Influenza is a highly infectious disease that usually strikes during the winter season. Globally, it causes an estimated one billion cases of influenza, resulting in 290,000 to 650,000 deaths per year. A person can get the virus simply by being near an infected person that coughs, sneezes or talks, or by touching something with the virus on it."

Flu can cause up to 650,000 deaths a year globally – IFPMA

IFPMA » Flu can cause up to 650,000 deaths a year globally

www.ifpma.org

Or this ... From NIH

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project

Better order a, remainder of your lifetime, supply of masks.

 

[Goldenhawk]

Uhhh, nope. I'm not wrong. You're stupidly ignorant.

Can we please have a discussion without resorting to name-calling? There might be something we can learn if we can talk civilly.

Yes, the pages you quote are quite correct. Yes, the flu kills a lot of people each year. And yes, the number of COVID-19 deaths is lower.

But that's not what I mean by "mortality rate." I've been consistently comparing a mortality rate PER CASE of the two diseases. Put another way, it's "how likely are you to die if you get the disease?" instead of "how likely are you to die from that disease, out of everyone in the world." That "if you get it" number is 0.1% for the flu, and 4.5% or higher for COVID-19, some 45 times more lethal than the flu, at least in the United States. COVID-19 is horribly effective at messing up people's lungs and causing secondary infections, far better than the flu.

Let me say it again: If you DO get COVID-19, you're approximately 45 times more likely to die from it than if you catch the flu.

The reason I think it makes a lot of sense to talk about mortality-rate-per-case is that COVID-19 is also a lot better at spreading than the flu - the average flu patient infects less than one other person, while the average COVID-19 patient infects several. Look at what happened on the USS Roosevelt: fully 1/10 of the sailors (660 so far) caught COVID-19 in just a few weeks. Most of those victims were young and healthy, and that demographic fares pretty well with COVID. Nursing home infections and cruise ship cases also show it's very good at spreading, and in the nursing homes the results are worse at 15% death rate for ages 70 and above.

Honestly, the flu is pretty much unchecked right now. The vaccines are only 50% effective, and the vaccination rate is fairly low. But that's not really that big a deal in many cases, because it doesn't spread anywhere near as fast as COVID-19, and it kills relatively few of the victims.

So when you put together the facts - not disputed by any reasonable scientist, whether government-funded or not - that COVID kills far more of its victims, and that it spreads more easily, it makes a lot of sense to aggressively try to stop it.

If you look at the worldwide data, and realize that nearly every single nation has put extremely strong controls in place, and we've STILL had 150K deaths in just a few months, it seems fairly obvious that NOT doing something about it would lead to far more deaths. If you go back to the "uncontrolled" spread rate experienced in Italy, or New York, or Seattle, we would have had far more deaths by now than a full year of the flu.

 

[rpgreene]

If I may ...


Uhhh, nope. I'm not wrong. You're stupidly ignorant.
Here is something more contagious... 1 Billion Cases Worldwide~Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year.

www.medicinenet.com

How about this ... "Influenza is a highly infectious disease that usually strikes during the winter season. Globally, it causes an estimated one billion cases of influenza, resulting in 290,000 to 650,000 deaths per year. A person can get the virus simply by being near an infected person that coughs, sneezes or talks, or by touching something with the virus on it."

Flu can cause up to 650,000 deaths a year globally – IFPMA

IFPMA » Flu can cause up to 650,000 deaths a year globally

www.ifpma.org

Or this ... From NIH

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project

Better order a, remainder of your lifetime, supply of masks.

If I may ...


Uhhh, nope. I'm not wrong. You're stupidly ignorant.
Here is something more contagious... 1 Billion Cases Worldwide~Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year.

www.medicinenet.com

How about this ... "Influenza is a highly infectious disease that usually strikes during the winter season. Globally, it causes an estimated one billion cases of influenza, resulting in 290,000 to 650,000 deaths per year. A person can get the virus simply by being near an infected person that coughs, sneezes or talks, or by touching something with the virus on it."

Flu can cause up to 650,000 deaths a year globally – IFPMA

IFPMA » Flu can cause up to 650,000 deaths a year globally

www.ifpma.org

Or this ... From NIH

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project

Better order a, remainder of your lifetime, supply of masks.

Though they have vaccines, etc to combat against the flu which many refuse or neglect to take and or have pre-existing conditions that hike up the numbers. This is a relatively new virus that is much more deadly, spreads quicker and there's no cure yet and if no vaccine is found soon, the numbers of death percentage wise will increase much more among healthy persons vs the flu.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Can we please have a discussion without resorting to name-calling? There might be something we can learn if we can talk civilly. Let me say it again: If you DO get COVID-19, you're approximately 45 times more likely to die from it than if you catch the flu.

Ok. Sure. I tend to get carried away when attempting to de-program others. All the talk from the "experts" is to support the narrative for this lock down. Notice, the below listed ailments, are the exact ailments that people are dying of with this, Wuhan Flu. This is why people are dying. This is why they get pneumonia. Their immune systems are on overload. A healthy person either will not get any symptoms, or if they get it, will easily fight it off.

You are X times more likely to die from the flu as well if you have any of these issues ...

• Asthma
• Neurologic and neurodevelopment conditions
• Blood disorders (such as sickle cell disease)
• Chronic lung disease (such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease [COPD] and cystic fibrosis)
• Endocrine disorders (such as diabetes mellitus)
• Heart disease (such as congenital heart disease, congestive heart failure and coronary artery disease)
• Kidney disorders
• Liver disorders
• Metabolic disorders (such as inherited metabolic disorders and mitochondrial disorders)
• People who are obese with a body mass index [BMI] of 40 or higher
• People younger than 19 years of age on long-term aspirin- or salicylate-containing medications.
• People with a weakened immune system due to disease (such as people with HIV or AIDS, or some cancers such as leukemia) or medications (such as those receiving chemotherapy or radiation treatment for cancer, or persons with chronic conditions requiring chronic corticosteroids or other drugs that suppress the immune system)

Other people at high risk from the flu:

• Adults 65 years and older
• Children younger than 2 years old
• Pregnant women and women up to 2 weeks after the end of pregnancy
• American Indians and Alaska Natives
• People who live in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities
• Although all children younger than 5 years old are considered at high risk for serious flu complications, the highest risk is for those younger than 2 years old, with the highest hospitalization and death rates among infants younger than 6 months.

And I'm adding people that eat mostly highly processed foods and junk foods, drink soda's with HFCS. Etc.

People at High Risk of Flu

Some people are more likely to get serious flu-related complications if they get sick with flu.

www.cdc.gov

Though they have vaccines, etc to combat against the flu which many refuse or neglect to take and or have pre-existing conditions that hike up the numbers. This is a relatively new virus that is much more deadly, spreads quicker and there's no cure yet and if no vaccine is found soon, the numbers of death percentage wise will increase much more among healthy persons vs the flu.

This, "new", flu virus, a corona virus, is not much more deadly. In fact, it is way less than the regular annual flu. The effectiveness, or really, the ineffectiveness, of the flu vaccine, is to pretty much make it worthless. Seeing as people still can get the flu after getting the flu shot. (Spare me the usual rhetorical arguments btw). In addition, when someone does get the mercury laden poison injected into them with the attenuated virus, they are shedding that flu virus for two weeks after, infecting others. And healthy people are not getting this virus. These are the oh so terrible asymptomatic individuals that strike fear into others.

CDC Seasonal Flu Vaccine Effectiveness Studies | CDC

Seasonal Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness, 2005-2016 - CDC

www.cdc.gov

And there will be no effective vaccine for this flu virus either because as we all know, from previous experience and living many years before this shitshow, corona viruses mutate, a lot, daily, weekly, monthly, every year. Also known as constantly changing. Hence there is no way to create an effective vaccine. Much unlike an inoculation against, say, non-mutating viruses, like, polio, smallpox, tetanus, rubella.

 

[Goldenhawk]

On what data and sources do you base this statement?

This, "new", flu virus, a corona virus, is not much more deadly. In fact, it is way less than the regular annual flu.

Also, please define the word "deadly."

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

On what data and sources do you base this statement? Also, please define the word "deadly."

On what data and sources? You are kidding, correct? If you cannot read past years, (official, peer reviewed, government and privately published, definitive, vis a vis corona viruses), research, and extrapolate that knowledge to a conclusion, then, someone must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby causing significant brain damage. How you made it this far in life, remarkable. And define "deadly"? Nope. You're a big girl. Taking everything into context ... Figure it out for yourself.

 

[mitzi]

If I may ...


On what data and sources? You are kidding, correct? If you cannot read past years, (official, peer reviewed, government and privately published, definitive, vis a vis corona viruses), research, and extrapolate that knowledge to a conclusion, then, someone must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby causing significant brain damage. How you made it this far in life, remarkable. And define "deadly"? Nope. You're a big girl. Taking everything into context ... Figure it out for yourself.

So how did the protest in Annapolis go today?

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

So how did the protest in Annapolis go today?

I thought very well. Thank you for asking.

 

[NorthBeachPerso]

If I may ...


On what data and sources? You are kidding, correct? If you cannot read past years, (official, peer reviewed, government and privately published, definitive, vis a vis corona viruses), research, and extrapolate that knowledge to a conclusion, then, someone must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby causing significant brain damage. How you made it this far in life, remarkable. And define "deadly"? Nope. You're a big girl. Taking everything into context ... Figure it out for yourself.

You just can't help being a douche can you?

 

[mitzi]

If I may ...


I thought very well. Thank you for asking.

Did you go?

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

You just can't help being a douche can you?

Better to be a douche, (an informed douche at that), than a swallower of the ejaculation from a vagabond's pecker.

 

[Louise]

You just can't help being a douche can you?

So...people with a different opinion are douches? There must be a shortage of mirrors In the C 19 ‘crisis‘.

 

[NorthBeachPerso]

So...people with a different opinion are douches? There must be a shortage of mirrors In the C 19 ‘crisis‘.

No, people who constantly insult others are. Don't like it, don't participate. He's one of the biggest and most obnoxious dumbasses on here, and that's saying something.

His sovereign citizen, "I can do what I want when I want', ZOG is taking over, can't make me not crap in my front yard, lazy teachers/lazy librarians/everybody but me is lazy bullshit gets old after awhile.

Look at the crap he's spewing here about how no State of Emergency is legal because, well he claims the Constitution but skips the pertinent parts.

Your mirrors likely work just like mine.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

No, people who constantly insult others are. Don't like it, don't participate. He's one of the biggest and most obnoxious dumbasses on here, and that's saying something.

His sovereign citizen, "I can do what I want when I want', ZOG is taking over, can't make me not crap in my front yard, lazy teachers/lazy librarians/everybody but me is lazy bullshit gets old after awhile.

Look at the crap he's spewing here about how no State of Emergency is legal because, well he claims the Constitution but skips the pertinent parts.

Your mirrors likely work just like mine.

You are an effing idiot. I've never taken the stance of being a sovereign citizen. A patriot, yes. A rabble-rouser against an irresponsible, heavy handed, government that does not listen to, and takes advantage of, its citizens? Absof-ckinglutley! I have also never said declaring a State of Emergency is illegal. Arguing against, and encouraging the ignoring, and the challenging of issued orders, that go against the US Constitution, threatening people with fines, or jail, for violating the dictates, decrees, of government? Guilty. Why not man the f-ck up and become an American Patriot? At least in spirit? If you can possibly find the ball sack you were born with. Or were you neutered at birth?

 

[mitzi]

If I may ...


You are an effing idiot. I've never taken the stance of being a sovereign citizen. A patriot, yes. A rabble-rouser against an irresponsible, heavy handed, government that does not listen to, and takes advantage of, its citizens? Absof-ckinglutley! I have also never said declaring a State of Emergency is illegal. Arguing against, and encouraging the ignoring, and the challenging of issued orders, that go against the US Constitution, threatening people with fines, or jail, for violating the dictates, decrees, of government? Guilty. Why not man the f-ck up and become an American Patriot? At least in spirit? If you can possibly find the ball sack you were born with. Or were you neutered at birth?

I'll ask again, did you go to the protest yesterday?