Can a religion be "evil?"

Christy

b*tch rocket
Education back atcha

:duh:

What is the main cause of all the trouble in Northern Ireland? Is religion a big part of it?
The conflict in Northern Ireland is usually explained in terms of the different constitutional aspirations of the two main sections of the community in the region. Many Catholics consider themselves to be Irish and are Nationalist in political outlook, that is, they would like to see the whole (nation) island of Ireland reunited (and independent of Britain). Most Protestants consider themselves to be British and are Unionist in political outlook, that is, they want Northern Ireland to remain part of the (union of the) United Kingdom (UK) of Britain (England, Scotland, and Wales) and Northern Ireland.

The correspondence between religion, culture, and political outlook is the result of a historical accident. During the 'plantation of Ulster' in the early 17th century the Scottish and English settlers, who moved to the north-east of Ireland to take ownership of confiscated lands, were Protestant and had strong cultural ties with England and Scotland. The native Irish who were forced from their land were Catholic and culturally Irish. Although religion was not the determining factor in the conflict between the people living in the region, it has a special significance as it was used as a marker to distinguish and discriminate between sections of the community. As a consequence of the plantation Protestants acquired land and wealth. Various pieces of legislation were introduced to reduce the status of Catholics. The inequalities between the two sections of the population persisted to the late 1960s and were the main cause of the civil rights movement that eventually led to the re-emergence of violent conflict.

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Christy

b*tch rocket
Kain, have you ever been to England? Northern Ireland? Know anyone who lives it everyday? :confused: Trust me, it's not a religious war. :duh: There are Northern Ireland Protestants who'd be all for an Independent Northern Ireland, as well as Catholic Northern Irish who are quite happy with being part of the United Kingdom.
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Also Kain, last I checked, there are Catholics who actually live in London. :yikes: Last I checked they've not been hauled off to the tower to lop off their heads in this century. :bubble:
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
Sorry Christy,...I gotta push my faith...

Although I can fully understand not wanting to "Push" one's faith and I will not look down on that ...I feel that Christianity is too important to simply let go...

(no problem about the 90 degree turn on the thread...we'll get back to that later...)

Filth...(I feel weird addressing you that way....:confused: )
I have never been Catholic...I have had some wonderful friends that were Catholic and probably shared the same guilt/condemnation/ hopelessness you may be experiencing.
Can I tell you a little secret?...some protestants carry around that same inescapable guilt that they can't ever get right with God.

For now...don't head into wicca. Ask yourself a basic question: who is wicca about?

well, wicca is all about self, walking your own road, pursuing your own desires, if you want to worship something; worship nature...

Next question: where do you go with your wiccan faith?: No where! Ever see a happy wiccan? huh? They may outwordly say they are feeling fulfilled but the horizon keeps getting farther away and it leads to more self-doubt, following some mystic teacher..or even drugs-visions-spiritism etc.
That's where wicca will take you.--DO NOT BEGIN THAT JOURNEY; YOU WILL NOT LIKE ITS END!

*"All you that labor and are heavy laden, come to me and I will give you rest, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light"
*The father of the prodigal son saw his son from a distance and RAN TO HIM...kissed him and gave him his cloak and ordered a feast to be prepared.

God the Father, Christ the Son wanted mankind to be restored...not wander in bitterness & guilt, nor did they want to leave mankind guessing...looking for their own path.

Yes, the path is narrow, it isn't easy....but there are plenty of travellers along the way and some get distracted or mired, but one must never turn back.
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Re: Sorry Christy,...I gotta push my faith...

Originally posted by Hessian


For now...don't head into wicca. Ask yourself a basic question: who is wicca about?

well, wicca is all about self, walking your own road, pursuing your own desires, if you want to worship something; worship nature...

Next question: where do you go with your wiccan faith?: No where! Ever see a happy wiccan? huh? They may outwordly say they are feeling fulfilled but the horizon keeps getting farther away and it leads to more self-doubt, following some mystic teacher..or even drugs-visions-spiritism etc.
That's where wicca will take you.--DO NOT BEGIN THAT JOURNEY; YOU WILL NOT LIKE ITS END!


I agree, but I also feel that everyone has their own path to follow to get to God. I don't think Wicca is "evil" as many people do. I simply view it as worshipping and praying to your chair, or your table, or whatever inanimate object is conveniently there, and you like, but it sure isn't going to answer back. :shrug:
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
The Irish debate...

Is one of several that erupt anytime one begins to compare Islam to Christianity.


It all starts when one side says>
"Well, what about the time when...."
Now go fill in the blank:
Crusades?
Brits purging the aboriginals?
Americans driving off the Indians?
Catholic Portuguese enslaving Africans?
St Bartholomew's Massacre in France?
and the list goes on...
But one thing is undeniable: when the Gospel of Christ is presented in its original form of the Gospel, it brings peace, solves debates, heals families, brings repentance etc.

When it is one sect, or one dogma, or one cult issuing demands apart from the cause of Christ: there is loss & bloodshed.

Under Islam: there is ONLY conquest.
 
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Kain99

Guest
I'm not exactly certain how the argument regarding the Koran vs. The Bible turned into "recent" Christian conflicts but here goes...

Ya don't like the IRA because I never lived in Northern Ireland... Fine.

What about the KKK - they hate, based on religion ... Don't kid yourselves into thinking it's all about color.

WWII ... need I say more?

What about the Revolutionary War? England said He!! No! You will follow this doctrine and no other... We said GFY.

Christians have killed Christians for all of time... We are not biased. If ya don't think like "I" do you're dead!

We will kill you regardless of denomination. In the end everything can always be linked to religion. :wink:
 
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Kain99

Guest
Re: The Irish debate...

Originally posted by Hessian
When it is one sect, or one dogma, or one cult issuing demands apart from the cause of Christ: there is loss & bloodshed.
So we do what I said 20 years ago and abolish Religion. It has run it's course and only creates hatred.

:Truestory:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Originally posted by vraiblonde
Yeah, because you see so many Christians running around chopping people's heads off in the name of God. :duh:
Does anyone remember "The Crusades"? The pillaging of villages and murdering of men, women, and children, all in the name of Christianity? :confused:
 
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Kain99

Guest
Originally posted by Nickel
Does anyone remember "The Crusades"? The pillaging of villages and murdering of men, women, and children, all in the name of Christianity? :confused:
Yes Nickel but her point is what has ...happened lately....:biggrin:
 
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Kain99

Guest
Here and Now... Christians hate just like Muslims. Read the paper. :rolleyes:
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
Well Kain, Marx would be very proud of your stand.
Abolish religion!...

Nickel...I addressed the crusade charge on the last page too...

The Revolutionary war is an interesting tangle of war within Christendom...this is likely not the place to go into much detail because just about everybody who posts likes to do so as a 5 second sound bite.:frown:

GO BACK TO THE ESSAY AND ASK: What has Islam done for mankind? How does it compare with the contributions of Christianity?
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Originally posted by Nickel
Does anyone remember "The Crusades"? The pillaging of villages and murdering of men, women, and children, all in the name of Christianity? :confused:

:banghead: We've evolved Nickel we've evolved! That's the whole point. We've evolved past that nonsense. :duh:
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Originally posted by Kain99
I'm not exactly certain how the argument regarding the Koran vs. The Bible turned into "recent" Christian conflicts but here goes...

Ya don't like the IRA because I never lived in Northern Ireland... Fine.

What about the KKK - they hate, based on religion ... Don't kid yourselves into thinking it's all about color.

WWII ... need I say more?

What about the Revolutionary War? England said He!! No! You will follow this doctrine and no other... We said GFY.

Christians have killed Christians for all of time... We are not biased. If ya don't think like "I" do you're dead!

We will kill you regardless of denomination. In the end everything can always be linked to religion. :wink:

WTF are you talking about. :confused:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Originally posted by Christy
:banghead: We've evolved Nickel we've evolved! That's the whole point. We've evolved past that nonsense. :duh:
I didn't read past the first page!!!!!! Sorry :frown: I don't have the patience to listen to other people's opinions :rolleyes:


:lol:
 
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Kain99

Guest
Originally posted by Hessian
Well Kain, Marx would be very proud of your stand.
Abolish religion!...
Show me, only one good reason for Religion and I will fold.
 
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Kain99

Guest
Originally posted by Christy
I am sane, you are friggin psychotic, I thank God for that. How's that? :shrug:
How's This? You let nothing go and cannot stick to a discussion. To bad for you. :frown:
 
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