Can a religion be "evil?"
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What the world needs now, is love, sweet love. It's the only thing that there's just to little of...
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Kain99
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Be a good girl and take you're Paxil I was kidding too.Originally posted by Christy
Oh for crap sake Kain, I was kidding.Now be a good girl and go take your lithium. (but don't tell Mig, she says lithium is dangerous
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Christy
b*tch rocket
Anyhoo, back to the point at hand. I really have no problem with Islam when practiced sanely, same with Christianity. I think both have been wrongfully used to justify the evilness in us all at one point or another. I believe if God had his choice, there would be "peace, love, happiness", I think it's our inherant flaws as human beings that prevents that from being so, and nothing will ever change that until God comes down and wipes us all out and starts over with a new product. :shrug:
Well, some of it. 
Hessian
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An excellent challenge Kain!
Now I do NOT want you to fold for just one reason but I will give you..um, two:
Which would you rather have lived through...the American Revolution or the French Revolution?
It was faith that drove our founders (even the Quaker Dickenson urged calm & peace in '76 yet the fiery whigs did not throw his head in the guillotine) Jefferson (member & founder of a church in Charlottesville VA) cited our Creator twice in the Declaration...where do our rights come from? God? or Man? If they come from man, then they can easily be abolished, altered, and forgotten, if they come from God, they are "unalienable..."
Thank God, the founders believed in the eternal rights that God has offered man.
The French attacked the church, one brought a prostitute into the cathedral and declared her a goddess. Their ultimate aim? Liberty, Fraternity, Egality......originating from where? THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMMITTEES....what was the result? Thosands sent to be beheaded. ...then dictatorship followed and three wars...all in 20 years.
Second example: George Washington Carver: a man who wrote above his lab that all his labors were dedicated to God. Was he driven by what the world offered? (offered a $100,000 job by GE) No..he turned it down to keep teaching and inventing. He was motivated by scientific discovery, a dream of a better life for his race, and especially, a desire to please God in all that he did. He was rewarded with everlasting respect and a very long life.
(Sorry....I just can't help but see God move providentially through faithful men & women who place Others before them, look unto bigger needs, sacrifice their lives & fortunes for a nobel cause they will never see----all guided by faith)
End of History lesson....for now
Now I do NOT want you to fold for just one reason but I will give you..um, two:
Which would you rather have lived through...the American Revolution or the French Revolution?
It was faith that drove our founders (even the Quaker Dickenson urged calm & peace in '76 yet the fiery whigs did not throw his head in the guillotine) Jefferson (member & founder of a church in Charlottesville VA) cited our Creator twice in the Declaration...where do our rights come from? God? or Man? If they come from man, then they can easily be abolished, altered, and forgotten, if they come from God, they are "unalienable..."
Thank God, the founders believed in the eternal rights that God has offered man.
The French attacked the church, one brought a prostitute into the cathedral and declared her a goddess. Their ultimate aim? Liberty, Fraternity, Egality......originating from where? THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMMITTEES....what was the result? Thosands sent to be beheaded. ...then dictatorship followed and three wars...all in 20 years.
Second example: George Washington Carver: a man who wrote above his lab that all his labors were dedicated to God. Was he driven by what the world offered? (offered a $100,000 job by GE) No..he turned it down to keep teaching and inventing. He was motivated by scientific discovery, a dream of a better life for his race, and especially, a desire to please God in all that he did. He was rewarded with everlasting respect and a very long life.
(Sorry....I just can't help but see God move providentially through faithful men & women who place Others before them, look unto bigger needs, sacrifice their lives & fortunes for a nobel cause they will never see----all guided by faith)
End of History lesson....for now
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Kain99
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Great points but I think we are lost in semantics here..
Why Hessian, do you equate faith with religion?
From my view point...Yes, You should have "All" faith in God. Zero faith in Religion. Religion was created by man and it is faulty. Religion is skewed... Religion is by all counts evil.
Philosophy by Kain.
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Kain99
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Thank you for your honesty.Originally posted by Christy
Lithium is my drug of choice, it's very retro.
Hessian
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Sorry...I thought you were standing against Religion & Faith.
You and I would clearly agree that Religion does NOT provide salvation....but it does teach a path to
a) Enlightenment
B) Nirvana
C) Heaven
D) 72 Virgins
The crux of the issue: which religion is built on truth, and promotes the best qualities in mankind, as well as providing the best example of love for fellow man.
Certainly an argument could be made for several religions (Islam might have a very hard time with that criteria.)
Christianity as a Religion has a hard time defending its behavior over the past 2000 years but...as a faith, it outrates the rest.
You and I would clearly agree that Religion does NOT provide salvation....but it does teach a path to
a) Enlightenment
B) Nirvana
C) Heaven
D) 72 Virgins
The crux of the issue: which religion is built on truth, and promotes the best qualities in mankind, as well as providing the best example of love for fellow man.
Certainly an argument could be made for several religions (Islam might have a very hard time with that criteria.)
Christianity as a Religion has a hard time defending its behavior over the past 2000 years but...as a faith, it outrates the rest.
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Filth08xXx
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People telling me not to pursue Wicca: A true example of people talking about things they do not know much about. You were never Wiccan, so you cannot tell me how unhappy they are. Christians will tell others anything to keep them on "the right path" to salvation, but they also teach that curiosity is normal and everyone wanders off "the path" at some point in their lives, if not often. I know some Wiccans, they live a few doors down and they love it- They used to be Christians (forced upon them by parents) and they decided it wan't the religion for them- they felt a connection to the Earth, as well as I do. I, including the rest of my immediate family, do not believe you have to attend church to gain "heaven" or "salvation"- it is enough to to belive in God/infinite being, and be your best. If God is so loving and forgiving, he will respect our opinions and let us worship him the way we'd like- and anyways, dosn't God want us to love the Earth he created for us? Why not appreciate that, too? I see wicca as loving God's planet he created for us, and it's up to us Wiccans to take care of it.
Hessian
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I didn't realize that you were already absorbed into it. (The Borg)
It doesn't take 3 hits of Heroin to convince someone its bad for them...It doesn't take experience in Wiccan to know...it will lead you to NOWHERE!
God did not put you on earth to "find your own way." If you want to make it up as you go along and think that its fine with God...
um, you are really lost. (Hitler made it up as he went along too...that didn't work out too well).
It doesn't take 3 hits of Heroin to convince someone its bad for them...It doesn't take experience in Wiccan to know...it will lead you to NOWHERE!
God did not put you on earth to "find your own way." If you want to make it up as you go along and think that its fine with God...
um, you are really lost. (Hitler made it up as he went along too...that didn't work out too well).
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Filth08xXx
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I'm here to voice my opinion and beliefs, not to have people telling me I'm lost. I do not like being compared to Hitler. Since you're a Christian School teacher, I could expect that kind of an answer from you. At this point in time, we are all trying to find the "Right" or "Correct" religion, and Christians think it's their religion that's the "right" religion- Hey, other people had dreams and made up their own religons, so why can't you say the same about Christianity?
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Filth08xXx
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...Just like my religion teacher. "Read ________________ because I'm not knowledgable enough on my faith to answer questions about it. Go read a book, defeats the purpose of me sitting up here, 'teaching' you "
Hessian
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Knowing that people post here in sound bites that last one sentence, I didn't think you would want me to fill 8 pages with a review. My job is not to spoon feed lazy idiots who won't lift a finger to add a morsel to their limp brains. They fail out of my class because they won't work for the knowledge they are supposed to learn.
Regarding those books:
I read them
I recommended them
I see that your collapse into wiccan is out of lazyness instead of academic interest. Quit blaming your school and the Catholic teachers for your personal screw ups and try reading something other than a sound bite.
Regarding those books:
I read them
I recommended them
I see that your collapse into wiccan is out of lazyness instead of academic interest. Quit blaming your school and the Catholic teachers for your personal screw ups and try reading something other than a sound bite.