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Made in his image means looking like Him. Not being Him.
Plus, we may have been made in his image (spiritually), but when we ate the apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil we blew it. Sinners ever since.
Made in his image means looking like Him. Not being Him.
Plus, we may have been made in his image (spiritually), but when we ate the apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil we blew it. Sinners ever since.
Xaquin44
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I didn't eat any apple, so don't put that on me.
also, as 2A will bore you with, it wasn't an apple.
Also, if I look like god ....
GOD IS ONE HANDSOME FELLA!
This_person
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Don't go back that far??
I saw one show that had Bob Newhart playing God. "Hey, if God made us in His image, doesn't it stand to reason He'd look like the average human?"
Xaquin44
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Don't go back that far??
well if I'm taking it for granted that god is 'real' I'll still argue that any fruit eating was done by others and should in no way apply to me.
Why would a 'just god' carry punishment through generations?
lol to the Newhart god!
This_person
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Maybe it was all that generation could understand from God. When we die, we'll find out!
Xaquin44
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Maybe it was all that generation could understand from God. When we die, we'll find out!
that doesn't make sense.
I mean by all rights, if we come from the same genes god created, shouldn't we start in the garden?
wouldn't we be as perfect as the day he created us?
I've never heard of god doing any genetic modifying in the bible?
This_person
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How about taking us from immortal to mortal? To a max (average, nominal) lifespan of 120 years? To changing the very language we speak with a single action? To make someone a pillar of salt?
Nope, you and I are not as perfect as Adam and Eve were, nor were they as perfect as God.
Xaquin44
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whose fault is that?
If I'm not created how he wanted me he should have done better.
Painters don't blame the painting.
well, good ones don't.
This_person
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Where do you see fault and blame? I prefer to see the consequences as boundaries. Do you blame your dog for not having opposable thumbs? Is it punishment that he gets locked inside the backyard, just because he can't open the fence (not evolved enough
)? It's just the natural consequence.
Xaquin44
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Where do you see fault and blame? I prefer to see the consequences as boundaries. Do you blame your dog for not having opposable thumbs? Is it punishment that he gets locked inside the backyard, just because he can't open the fence (not evolved enough
what does that have to do with anything?
Of course I wouldn't punish him for something he has no control over.
This_person
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But, are the natural consequences of his lesser abilities a punishment, or just the natural consequence? Is it fault and blame, or just what happens?
Xaquin44
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Humans started in paradise and because of the actions of two, billions have paid the price. As far as I know, dogs are just domesticated animals that undoubtedly lead better lives (on the whole) then their wild counterparts.
This_person
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I'm saying that we lived in the house until we wet the floor too much, so now we get to come in, but have to do our business outside. All of us dogs, not just the ones that wet the floor. Not our fault, but doesn't change the consequence.
Xaquin44
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I wouldn't be so stupid as to put all the dogs outside because two wet on the carpet, and I sure as heck wouldn't call the person who did a nice guy.
This_person
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Maybe I'm using a bad metaphor......
Xaquin44
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Maybe I'm using a bad metaphor......
ah who knows hehe
either way, it's quitten time!
This_person
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Cya
Have you? It's not particularly long, but it's even more dull and eye for an eye kind of stuff than even the Jewish Law.
And just to make the distinction, there's a gulf of difference between what we call "law" and "morality". We tend to base laws on our perception of what is moral or fair, but they're not the same thing. Just sit in on a class on tax or patent law, and you'll get the basic idea - morality and law aren't the same.
I have probably a very tenuous belief in God. As in, if he's there at all, he's not terribly personal, a bit detached, and I don't see a connection between him and any Earthly religion.
But I have to admit, without the existence of a higher authority, the concept of morality strikes me as utterly and completely arbitrary. Because as I see it, without God, you're wormfood. You'll be dust one day, as will all of humanity and all life on Earth, and after that, the Earth will be consumed in a nova, and the universe will slowly die after a few billion years after that - long, long after the last piece of humanity resembles the smallest mote of dust. Nothing, nothing you do has any lasting value. You can tie morality to the long term survival of humanity, but that's a joke - all life will pass away. If we kill ourselves off in the next ten thousand years, we'll have been a blip on the history of this planet, and any future life that arises will never be able to find us after sifting through the ashes and dust.
As far as I can tell, morality without a higher being is just pretend - you do whatever you think you'll get away with.
Xaquin44
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of course I have.
I was more comparing it to biblical law then an overall encompassing thing.
Just pointing out that there were basis for those laws long before any mention of god or jesus.
Xaquin44
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You're wrong, but it that's what you want to believe that's fine.