tommyjones
New Member
sounds like good reasoning to be a serial killer. helping all those lost souls to find an eternity of peace....
sounds like good reasoning to be a serial killer. helping all those lost souls to find an eternity of peace....
Only if the killer happens to BE God.
Well I can't be sure, but I'm betting most of the time, death isn't a pleasant experience. It's like Woody Allen once said, I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens.
And if you listen to so many naysayers who are put off by how awful this world is, you'd THINK that dying at 2 years of age might be kind of lucky.
tommyjones
New Member
ah, but
Sam said:
what about murderers?
aren't they just sending you to an early eternity of gods love?
This_person
Well-Known Member
Well, now a murderer would not be acting in accordance with the Ten Commandments, now would he/she? So, they would be morally "wrong". Or, ethically, if you believe in just community standards as a guide for how to act.
And, yes, I believe that the murderer sends the righteous to a better place. However, they rob them of their time here, and their family's time with them. So, morally (or, ethically) wrong again.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Do 2 year olds die by drowning more than other people? If so, your comment here would make sense. Otherwise......
Xaquin44
New Member
Oh, I have no idea .... either way, I'd wager god could find a nicer way to get his quota.
Or even better yet, not do it at all ....
This_person
Well-Known Member
"quota"? You think he has a certain number he needs to do per month, to get a raise or something?
Okay, I get it, you don't like it, and no matter how much someone explains it to you in a way that makes it closer to reality (for us), you'll see it in a horrible way. Some people are too close-minded on the issue to allow for anything but their negatively biased view of things, and that's okay. You have that right, and I'm not trying to take your view away (like so many try and belittle people of faith's view).
Xaquin44
New Member
I would put forth that it takes a blind man to not see infant death in a horrible way.
tommyjones
New Member
:shrug: what, we are just talking about an all powerful god killing babies, whats not good about that :shrug:
This_person
Well-Known Member
None are as blind as those who will not see.
Besides, in your view, it wasn't God that killed them. It was just what happens (unless you deny a flood occurred) when stuff floods. So, I have my view that God did it for a reason, and spared the pain and suffering of the children and gave them everlasting life, you have your view that sh!t happens for no meaning. Either way, they all died.
Xaquin44
New Member
All I'm saying is that if we're assuming there is a god, he should be able to find a nicer way to gather his souls.
I.E. If god wants a 2 year old (well first off, why even bother granting life, only to snatch it away in 2 short years) why not get him/her peacefully as opposed to the horrible ways?
Really, if you're going to call god the ultimate good and then make excuses for him standing idle while a child dies, which of us is the blind one?
I just see and call b.s. as opposed to seeing and mindlessly oking everything.
This_person
Well-Known Member
You make a lot of assumptions (as do I, but from the other perspective), and those assumptions lead you to your questions.
For example, were the children allowed to drown painfully? Or, were they taken beforehand, in a genlte and "nice" way, as you describe would be the way you'd accept? Maybe these souls were the hope that those people would change, and do right. But, the adults didn't. So, He took the adults. You presume he harmed the children, I presume He didn't. You presume to judge the ultimate Judge, I don't.
We're both assuming. I assume there was a reason, and meaning, and justification, and everlasting peaceful existence in heaven for righteous based upon my faith. You presume sh!t happens, and a untold large number of people died because they didn't have good weather forecasting based upon a lack of faith.
:shrug: To each his own. I'm not trying to say you're wrong (unlike the endless attacks thrust upon people of faith).
forever jewel
Green Eyed Lady
Those individuals, who believe and trust in God, have faith in his decisions whether good or bad. I don't know why God doesn't stop the murder of innocent 2 year old babies. In fact, I don't know why God allows his children to die slowly and painfully via cancer or the genocide of thousands of people around world. I believe there is a reason he allows/does this.
But you don't, which is why you're so uncomfortable with the idea of an all-knowing and powerful God. I would respect that if you weren't such a self-righteous ahole, claiming others religious beliefs to be BS.
Xaquin44
New Member
So, what reasons do you put forth?
edit: and I wasn't saying peoples beliefs are b.s., I'm saying that killing children is a poor way to get them into heaven (be it by man or god) and anyone that says otherwise is full of said b.s.
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PsyOps
Pixelated
You can’t have a discussion about death and suffering and God’s hand in it without discussing the soul and God’s knowledge of the soul. What we view as suffering as suffering God views as a pathway to what awaits that person. That’s not to say that this minimizes the pain we go through watching a child suffer. God wants us to have this level of compassion. But it stems more from our lack of understanding of the soul and the Holy Spirit.
Xaquin44
New Member
I really fail to see what understanding of the soul has to do with the manner in which children are taken from their parents (in this hypothetical situation anyway).
What possible benefit could there be?
What lesson is there to learn from losing a child early to ridiculous circumstances that couldn't also be learned in another (more positive) way?
PsyOps
Pixelated
Are you able to answer this? Is it a situation that we can control?