somdfunguy
not impressed
According to who?
Point is numbers suck and this proves that it is all how you interpret the numbers. The can be skewed any which way. It's all FUD and the issue is big government. They should stay out of it.
Child neglect?
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According to who?
Point is numbers suck and this proves that it is all how you interpret the numbers. The can be skewed any which way. It's all FUD and the issue is big government. They should stay out of it.
Midnightrider
Well-Known Member
if you want to know if you are safer or not, the per capita number is what is important.
5 murders a year could be a lot or a little, depends on the population size.
numbers dont suck, people just choose the numbers that support their position too often and ignore the ones that dont.
MarieB
New Member
That is what I'm questioning myself right now. Should this law exist?
somdfunguy
not impressed
But if those 5 murders are in one month we could say we must have better laws for that month only.
You're almost seeing my point, just a few more rungs to climb
Midnightrider
Well-Known Member
you obviously have me confused with someone who is in favor of nanny state or reactionary laws.
somdfunguy
not impressed
See the trees not the forrest.
Numbers are used to confuse the masses so other means needs to be used
Numbers are used to confuse the masses so other means needs to be used
kwillia
n/a
I don't like nor trust numbers as it only takes 1 sperm to get pregnant and only 1 bad guy to ruin your day.
YES.... because unfortunately, there are folks procreating that do not have a clue how to think about anyone other than themselves...children are at mercy of other adults to protect them. if it werent for some of these laws, could you imagine the life some children would be forced/stuck with living?? and this is not directed at those two in the topic of this thread...this is in every day parenting... where folks are just too lazy to give a darn. very sad.
somdfunguy
not impressed
but then those children will grow up to do the same. if the government stays out of it then the situation corrects itself.
MMDad
Lem Putt
That's a false argument. You seem to be going on the theory that anyone who wants a society for laws is somehow "nanny." But what you are essentially espousing is anarchy.
There is a role for the rule of law in a society. Just because we believe in one law does not make it hypocritical to be against another law. It isn't one or the other.
For the smoking law, I am against it because it is based only on emotion, the need for the law has not been proven, and even if the problem is real it does nothing to actually fix the problem. That's a nanny law - knee jerk, emotional, and worthless.
The unattended children law was based on a demonstrated problem and the law helps solve the problem.
MMDad
Lem Putt
Fixt.
MMDad
Lem Putt
Then who would you hire to butcher the cats in the back of your restaurant?
somdfunguy
not impressed
A person who needs a job
Midnightrider
Well-Known Member
Second hand smoke is a demonstrated problem. I don't agree with the law to "fix" it, but there is plenty to back it up.
Laws that tell you how to act for your own good are nanny statesque. I can't think of any I agree with.
Telling people they can't leave their kids in the car is exactly like the smoking issue in that the state is taking the judgement from the parents. I wouldn't choose to smoke with my kids in the car, I also wouldn't leave them in the car on a hot day, i don't need the state to make those decisions for me
MMDad
Lem Putt
I wouldn't burglarize a home, so we should get rid of that law too. And I have not, and will not, kill anyone. Lets get rid of murder laws.
Midnightrider
Well-Known Member
You might get confused by numbers and statistics but most people can handle the concept of per capita
Midnightrider
Well-Known Member
Nice strawman
MMDad
Lem Putt
What's the difference? If you agree with those laws, regulating behavior, you must support all laws. It's all or nothing, right? No compromise, you are either against all laws or you are a hypocrite.
What does that have to do with the fact that she left me alone quite frequently and I am still alive?
Wait.....
Yep, still alive!
I used to ride a bike without a helmet; ride in the back of pickup trucks; walk about a mile to and from school; play outside until the streetlights came on; latchkey kid from the time I was about 7 or 8; no seatbelts and certainly no car seat; my mom smoked in the car with me in it.
And miracle of miracles!!! I'm still alive!
And I notice that you are, too.
MMDad
Lem Putt
My mom bought me booze and pot when I was 14. I lived, so it must be okay for me to do that with my kids, right? In later years she gave me meth, LSD, shrooms, and coke. I'm still alive. Should I do the same with my kids? Hell, lets just make all drugs legal since I lived through it.