Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???

[AK-74me]

I say that the general problem is that there's no incentive to teach at the elementary or secondary level, many colleges that take the best and brightest don't even have teaching programs anymore;it's an academically soft major at most schools. Teaching is one of those professions that requires education, but there's no salary to back it up- why drop 20-50 grand on an education when engineering pays double coming out of the gate for the same price? In my experience, aside from the few real gems who feel they are destined to be teachers, it's a field that people "end up" majoring in after they can't handle pre-law or pre-med, or a more rigorous field. It's sad.
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Yes, I know several also. I won't say it's a majority but I personally know several that ended up teaching via that route.

 

[roxie]

The proof is in the pudding. When my child was in Chopticon 2 years ago she had a subs for the entire year of CM English. Her SAT scores have risen and she has subs only several times a year. A good teacher is worth their weight in gold but they are few and far between. And as for grading papers, when she was at Chopticon she was an aide and that was her job for that period....grading papers for the teacher. The teacher she aided for had an aide every period that would grade papers. In math class the students would exchange papers and grade each others the whole year. The teacher would pull all tests from teaching sites off the internet for classes.

 

[wkndbeacher]

The proof is in the pudding. When my child was in Chopticon 2 years ago she had a subs for the entire year of CM English. Her SAT scores have risen and she has subs only several times a year. A good teacher is worth their weight in gold but they are few and far between. And as for grading papers, when she was at Chopticon she was an aide and that was her job for that period....grading papers for the teacher. The teacher she aided for had an aide every period that would grade papers. In math class the students would exchange papers and grade each others the whole year. The teacher would pull all tests from teaching sites off the internet for classes.

I used to be an aide for the vice principal, Mr. Jones..That was an AWESOME job to see the faces of the people I had to bring to the office.

 

[roxie]

Also in private school 100%of the student body takes the SAT exam. In public school only a very small amount of students take the SATS. 4 year college is not pushed at Chopticon, they are told it's best to go to CSM even thought with some scholarships to 4 year universites its a better value than CSM. And if you read the papers today you would know that many 4 year colleges, are overflowing with private alumni money. Chopticon doesn't tell you that but the private schools do.

 

[SouthernMdRocks]

Also in private school 100%of the student body takes the SAT exam. In public school only a very small amount of students take the SATS. 4 year college is not pushed at Chopticon, they are told it's best to go to CSM even thought with some scholarships to 4 year universites its a better value than CSM. And if you read the papers today you would know that many 4 year colleges, are overflowing with private alumni money. Chopticon doesn't tell you that but the private schools do.

I think it is smart for some children who start off their college time at a community college first until they decide which direction to take. You are just a downer on public schools period. Many children do exceptionally well with their public school education. It's what they make of it!!

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Ok, I'm not reading through 10 pages of this because I really don't care...

Teachers chose their profession. They know the school year. They are off during the summer. They don't make a half bad salary. If you do the math (I'll use the national avg. salary) they make pretty good salary. Lets figure they get off mid June and return mid. Aug. That's 2 months off.
So if we divide $47,602 by 10 months, that's $4,760.00 per month ($29.75/hr). Now if they worked a full year at that salary, they'd make $57,122.00 annually. Not half bad.

So the natl. avg. is making almost $50K a yr, gets summers off, gets a week at x-mas, a week at spring, vacation, holidays, sick..... Sheesh!!! That means the only work 9.5 months a year. NOT FRIGGIN BAD!!!

Based on all of this I say the teacher should not have taken off during the school yr. In fact, I agree with Bob in that they should not even get vacation days as thay have 2 full months off during the summer plus 2 weeks during x-mas & spring. Sick leave is ok. Those of you who say they need a break, what the heck is the 2 months of summer and 2 weeks during x-mas & spring???? Folks with 12 mth. jobs don't get breaks like that. When you subtract the vac. days they are only working 9 mths a yr.

Every few years the American Federation of Teachers releases a Teacher Salary Trends report about teacher salaries across the United States. This information helps teachers decide where to teach and how much they should earn. The latest report indicated that the average teacher salary was $47,602. The Federation indicated that unfortunately, teachers are struggling to find housing in their areas that they can afford on their salaries. As more teachers pursue additional education after receiving their bachelor’s degree, their student loan debt increases dramatically. New teachers may not start at an average teacher salary and could therefore struggle even more than veteran teachers, who may have higher salaries.

The most recent report included a list of teacher salaries by state. The state with the highest average teacher salary was Connecticut, at $57,760. California was a very close second, where the average teacher salary is $57,604. New Jersey teachers make approximately $56,635 per year. Rounding out the top five were Illinois and Rhode Island, with the average teacher salary at $56,494 and $56,432, respectively. The state with the lowest average teacher salary was South Dakota, at $34,039.

According to CBSalary.com, the average teacher salary by city was as follows:

Springfield, IL - $48,015
Chicago, IL - $53,713
Atlanta, GA - $35,903
Savannah, GA - $25,008
Orlando, FL - $31,684
Tampa, FL - $36,630
Miami, FL - $34,501

In 2005, MD was 12th at $50,303.0

Source: Teacher Salaries by State | Employment Spot

 

[kmw1123]

Based on all of this I say the teacher should not have taken off during the school yr. In fact, I agree with Bob in that they should not even get vacation days as thay have 2 full months off during the summer plus 2 weeks during x-mas & spring.

Ok, thats all fine and dandy, but shouldnt that also apply to students as well? Why should parents be able to pull their kids out for a week or more at a time during the school year to go on vacation when they have the same vacation time we do? What if a teacher is married and their husband or wife can only get a certain time off for vacation that doesnt fall during the summer?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Ok, thats all fine and dandy, but shouldnt that also apply to students as well? Why should parents be able to pull their kids out for a week or more at a time during the school year to go on vacation when they have the same vacation time we do? No. This isn't about the students. Students have to meet the minimum criteria to pass regardless how many days they attend. It's about a teacher taking off when they're supposed to be there doing their job.

What if a teacher is married and their husband or wife can only get a certain time off for vacation that doesnt fall during the summer? Like I said, you chose your profession knowing the working parameters going in. No one surprised you with this revelation that the school year is Aug. thru June.

You knew the salary, you knew the school year, you made the choice. :shrug:

If I went to my boss and said "I want a week off at x-mas and a week off this spring AND I want off from mid June to mid Aug.", When he got up off the floor laughing, he'd fire me.


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[greyhound]

So the natl. avg. is making almost $50K a yr, gets summers off, gets a week at x-mas, a week at spring, vacation, holidays, sick..... Sheesh!!! That means the only work 9.5 months a year. NOT FRIGGIN BAD!!!

Based on all of this I say the teacher should not have taken off during the school yr. In fact, I agree with Bob in that they should not even get vacation days as thay have 2 full months off during the summer plus 2 weeks during x-mas & spring. Sick leave is ok. Those of you who say they need a break, what the heck is the 2 months of summer and 2 weeks during x-mas & spring???? Folks with 12 mth. jobs don't get breaks like that. When you subtract the vac. days they are only working 9 mths a yr.

Source: Teacher Salaries by State | Employment Spot

What school system gives teachers (10 month employees) vacation days?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

What school system gives teachers (10 month employees) vacation days?

You have to read the entire fread.

It was mentioned in this thread (at least inferred). Now if she doesn't have vacation days then that makes the matter even worse. If I were to take off a week + for a cruise and I didn't have vacation days, I'd definitely be job hunting.

 

[greyhound]

You have to read the entire fread.

It was mentioned in this thread (at least inferred). Now if she doesn't have vacation days then that makes the matter even worse. If I were to take off a week + for a cruise and I didn't have vacation days, I'd definitely be job hunting.

You said you didn't read it........It's to long to read.

 

[kmw1123]

We do not have "vacation" days. We have three personal days for the year and then however much sick time that we have acrued. We can use those days as needed. You are right, we choose our professions. You chose yours and if you don't like that you can't just take off whenever, then maybe you chose wrong. Personally, I hate even taking off half a day for something like a doctor's appointment because making plans for a sub is more trouble than its worth. Plus, I hate subjecting a poor substitute to the behavior of some of those "little darlings". But, if a teacher is capable of leaving plans for a week that keep the kids busy and actively engaged in the subject matter, then leave it be.

 

[FromTexas]

And they make 12 months worth of pay for those 9 months of work..

OOK, so minus the workshops during the summer, they get 110 days off a year.. still a hell of a lot more than the 4 - 6 hours of vacation per pay period I get.


AND if they do 'other school related things' in the summer don't they get MORE money?? For example.. if they teach summer school?

I don't blame her for taking a cruise.. maybe it was her parents 75th anniversary cruise and she had no bearing on when it was going to be.. what I don't get, if you have a 9 months a year job WHY should you accrue vacation time at all?? Sick time, understandable.. maternity leave, understandable.. but an extra 10 (?) days of vacation time on top of the 120 you already get off??

Can you reach the status of being a more ignorant nitwit on this subject?

Is $33-$35k really 12 months worth of pay for a college grad? Not too mention most teachers work more than 8 hours a day, some weekends, buy extra supplies the school doesn't provide, have to do training during the summer, don't get the whole summer because you forget the two weeks prior and two weeks after school they have to complete things and get things started, etc... You are an ungrateful, thankless scum of a human being for what good teachers do.

If you are so unhappy with your minimal hours of time off, get a different job. Go be a teacher and you can have that wonderful time off, too. Oh wait! I bet you think the pay sucks for them...

It all works out somehow, doesn't it?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

We do not have "vacation" days. We have three personal days for the year and then however much sick time that we have acrued. We can use those days as needed. You are right, we choose our professions. You chose yours and if you don't like that you can't just take off whenever, then maybe you chose wrong. Personally, I hate even taking off half a day for something like a doctor's appointment because making plans for a sub is more trouble than its worth. Plus, I hate subjecting a poor substitute to the behavior of some of those "little darlings". But, if a teacher is capable of leaving plans for a week that keep the kids busy and actively engaged in the subject matter, then leave it be.

You sound as if you're scolding me. You were the one implying that teachers should be allowed to take off during the school year. I disagree.

I pretty much can take off when I want as long as I give proper notice. I also work 12 months a year and don't get the time off teachers do.

I would say you do get vacation days (maybe not called that) since you get at least a week at x-mas, a week in the spring AND 2 months during the summer.

I don't believe a teacher should be able to leave plans for a sub so they can take off during the school year. They should be there doing what they were hired to do.

On a side note, you couldn't get me to be a teacher at double the salary.

 

[Giantone]

My son just started CHopticon this year. His English Honors teacher has been out all week and the sub told them she will be out part of next week that she is on a cruise. How can this be allowed? I made a phone call and it was confirmed that she is indeed on a cruise. She couldn't do this over a break? Do teachers live in the real world???? This has me livid and I plan on calling Annapolis about this. No wonder the children aren't learning anything.

Evidently you don't ,maybe it's he wedding or aniversery.


My wife is a teacher and she and I went away for 1 week for our 25th aniverseriy.Get a life!

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Evidently you don't ,maybe it's he wedding or aniversery.

My wife is a teacher and she and I went away for 1 week for our 25th aniverseriy.Get a life!

I hope she didn't tutor you in spelling and grammar......

 

[itsbob]

Can you reach the status of being a more ignorant nitwit on this subject?

Is $33-$35k really 12 months worth of pay for a college grad? Not too mention most teachers work more than 8 hours a day, some weekends, buy extra supplies the school doesn't provide, have to do training during the summer, don't get the whole summer because you forget the two weeks prior and two weeks after school they have to complete things and get things started, etc... You are an ungrateful, thankless scum of a human being for what good teachers do.

If you are so unhappy with your minimal hours of time off, get a different job. Go be a teacher and you can have that wonderful time off, too. Oh wait! I bet you think the pay sucks for them...

It all works out somehow, doesn't it?

33- 35?? I thought MD teachers STARTED in the 40's? Which is RIGHT where I started, and more than I was making at the 20 year mark in the Army..

You talk to students majoring in education and they'll tell you why they want to be teachers.. time off. ANd yes, this isn't a guess, I dealt with college kids and adults going back to school that chose education as a major.

That and they get to party their butt's off in school.

I went to a teaching college, and we lost a LOT (over 70%) of our major to Secondary Ed... becasue they got tired of working while the ed majors in the dorms were doing pub crawls.

I won't say all, but most education majors picked it because it was easy, and thought working 9 months a year would be COOL!! Good to know that the person teaching your kids this year may have been the biggest partier/ drunk on campus last year.

I also believe they should have competitive salaires.. ie.. a Physics, Math or Science teachers beginning salary should be more than an English or History teachers.. Look at the numbers of each major graduating each year and you'll see why I think this way. There are VERY few students willing to do the work to be a Math Major, or any of the Physical Sciences, but there are a GLUT of History and English majors.

You are right about one thing.. we all make our choices.

Students chose teaching knowing the pay, the benefits and the time off.. they even get to taste the teaching enviornment prior to graduating.

I chose my major after doing the research, about lifestyle, time off, pay and benefits, and I've got EXACTLY what I wanted. It was a tough major but it's paid dividends

And yes, teaching was NOT an option for me as it did not pay enough, I could care less how much time off a year they gave me.

 

[Cowgirl]

33- 35?? I thought MD teachers STARTED in the 40's?

I don't think so. My sister taught at Carver Elementary for two years. If I remember correctly, she started teaching in September of 2001 for around $32K or so. I'm not sure it's gone up $8K in the last 7 years. :shrug:

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I don't think so. My sister taught at Carver Elementary for two years. If I remember correctly, she started teaching in September of 2001 for around $32K or so. I'm not sure it's gone up $8K in the last 7 years. :shrug:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:March 29, 2007
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MARYLAND RANKS 12TH IN THE NATION FOR TEACHER PAY

Teacher Pay Is Insufficient To Meet Rising Debt, Housing Costs in Many Areas

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Maryland remained 12th in the nation for its average teacher salary in 2004-05, according to the American Federation of Teachers’ (AFT) annual teacher salary survey released today. Nationally, teacher salary growth continues to lag behind inflation, overall economic growth, and the salaries of other professionals.

The average teacher salary in Maryland for the 2004-05 school year was $52,330, up 4.0 percent from the previous year. Maryland was ranked sixth in the nation for beginning teacher salary, at $37,125, an increase of 3.9 percent from 2004.

 

[Cowgirl]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:March 29, 2007
Contact:
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MARYLAND RANKS 12TH IN THE NATION FOR TEACHER PAY

Well, I can assure you, if my sister had graduated and even made close to $40K, she wouldn't have quit her job to start an in-home daycare.


ETA: Ah, you changed your post.