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NoName

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If you think it's so easy being a teacher, why don't you go get a college degree and become one. I mean, the grass is greener, right? :eyebrow:

You have no clue on what i have and havent done, doesnt stop you from making a stupid assumption.

But since you are making an ass of yourself, point to where i said that Teachers had it easy. we'll wait.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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Dont know where you are, but St Mary's gets 5 days for inclement weather. IF there are more than 5 days, it gets tacked onto the end of year.

1 day off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
2 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
3 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
4 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
5 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
6 days off for weather - One additional day at the end of year
7 days off for weather - Two additional days at the end of year
etc.

You made my point for me, thanks.

When you worked retail, During inclement weather, if you took off, didnt have to come in (whatever), you either made it up or had to take vacation. Otherwise your paycheck was smaller.

During inclement weather, Average Joe employee also has to make it up or take vacation, otherwise his check is smaller

During inclement weather, Teacher gets off, and as long as its not more than 5 inclement weather closings, does not have to make it up, does not have to take vacation. Not saying its a good or bad thing, but its an additional perk on top of all the other time they are off, that gets missed when Teachers are held up as pariahs
St. Mary's gets 5 days. Charles only gets 3. One year (during the tornado), we had 5 days off between the snow and the tornado. State of Maryland made students and teacher make all of them up.

Usually, we only get two snow days a year and facilities usually remain open to teachers and faculty. I don't know how many more times I need to say it to get it through your thick skull. :duh:

And, again, you're using St. Mary's County as the standard. They aren't the standard.
 

NoName

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I have decided that we simply can't compare the two unless we are comparing the teachers to an "average joe" who is on salary, not hourly pay. If for instance a business closes down due to inclement weather and average joe employee is forced to stay home, he does not have to waste vacation because the business closed...and he is getting paid for the day because he is paid salary, not based on "time worked". That is how it would basically go for a teacher, but teachers would ALSO be having to do work at home to get their lessons planned out since they just lost a day.

If the business average-joe-on-salary works at DOESN'T "close down" but it is optional for him to come in because of the poor weather, and he chooses to stay home, then yes, he is forced to waste vacation...but that is the same for a teacher that doesn't come in if the school is opened :shrug:

That would be a fair comparison, if it was realistic to how it is in fact practiced.

in reality, if the business closes, they can and do still expect employees to use their vacation to cover the day off. otherwise the employee is expected to make up the day/hours. Yes a teacher may do some work at home but once again so to would the average Joe worker.

The difference is the Average Joe HAS to do work at home, otherwise he HAS to take vacation to make up that day. The Teacher MAY do work at home. hope you can see the difference.
 

NoName

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St. Mary's gets 5 days. Charles only gets 3. One year (during the tornado), we had 5 days off between the snow and the tornado. State of Maryland made students and teacher make all of them up.

Usually, we only get two snow days a year and facilities usually remain open to teachers and faculty. I don't know how many more times I need to say it to get it through your thick skull. :duh:

And, again, you're using St. Mary's County as the standard. They aren't the standard.
So let me get this straight, your allowed 3 days a year for inclement weather, and you used 5 (thats 2 more than your allowed) and you dont understand that you had to make up the additional 2 days?

Hello you friggin Twit, we're talking about TEACHERS, not a janitor.

I'm sorry you dont have the same perks, but stop trying to garner the same sympathy for your pathetic life as those defending Teachers.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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That would be a fair comparison, if it was realistic to how it is in fact practiced.

in reality, if the business closes, they can and do still expect employees to use their vacation to cover the day off. otherwise the employee is expected to make up the day/hours. Yes a teacher may do some work at home but once again so to would the average Joe worker.

The difference is the Average Joe HAS to do work at home, otherwise he HAS to take vacation to make up that day. The Teacher MAY do work at home. hope you can see the difference.
That must be where you work. It's pointless because every business and every school district has different standards and expectations.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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That would be a fair comparison, if it was realistic to how it is in fact practiced.

in reality, if the business closes, they can and do still expect employees to use their vacation to cover the day off. otherwise the employee is expected to make up the day/hours. Yes a teacher may do some work at home but once again so to would the average Joe worker.

The difference is the Average Joe HAS to do work at home, otherwise he HAS to take vacation to make up that day. The Teacher MAY do work at home. hope you can see the difference.

:bs: to the bolded comment in the first real paragraph there.

I don't know what you're considering average, but I am certain that the majority of places that fall under my example do NOT force you to use vacation if it is impossible to enter your place of business and work because it is closed.

What average joe is HAVING to do work from home that wouldn't be the exact same scenario as a teacher HAVING to get her lesson plan straightened out/adjusted because of a day off? Either the employee has the choice of doing that work at home (like a teacher) or coming in early/staying late to make up that work (like a teacher).
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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So let me get this straight, your allowed 3 days a year for inclement weather, and you used 5 (thats 2 more than your allowed) and you dont understand that you had to make up the additional 2 days?

Hello you friggin Twit, we're talking about TEACHERS, not a janitor.

I'm sorry you dont have the same perks, but stop trying to garner the same sympathy for your pathetic life as those defending Teachers.
Did I say we had to make up two you infantile egomaniac? No. I said we had to make up all of them. We had 1 snow day and 4 for the tornado. They made us make up all 4 days for the tornado because it was a special circumstance. That was a STATE decision to make us make it up.
 

NoName

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That must be where you work. It's pointless because every business and every school district has different standards and expectations.

No its a business practice. If you are paid to be at work, and your not at work, you are expected to make it up.

Every school district may be different, you seem to get confused with that, glad you now uderstand.

but the fact doesnt change :

inclement weather - Teacher Off no makeup
inclement weather - Average Joe off, has to take Vacation or make up the time.
 

Xaquin44

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During inclement weather, Teacher gets off,

what is the matter with you? Seriously, they don't 'get off' they work at home.

I suppose PE teachers may relax the day away, but your average teacher just catches up on work or has to go in to school on a delay for other work. Snow days are for kids not teachers.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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No its a business practice. If you are paid to be at work, and your not at work, you are expected to make it up.

Every school district may be different, you seem to get confused with that, glad you now uderstand.

but the fact doesnt change :

inclement weather - Teacher Off no makeup
inclement weather - Average Joe off, has to take Vacation or make up the time.
In Florida, every "hurricane day" was expected to be made up by both the students and the teachers. So, there goes yout theory. :dork:
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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what is the matter with you? Seriously, they don't 'get off' they work at home.

I suppose PE teachers may relax the day away, but your average teacher just catches up on work or has to go in to school on a delay for other work. Snow days are for kids not teachers.
Exactly. Yaknow, working until 9 or later to do so.
 

NoName

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:bs: to the bolded comment in the first real paragraph there.

I don't know what you're considering average, but I am certain that the majority of places that fall under my example do NOT force you to use vacation if it is impossible to enter your place of business and work because it is closed.

What average joe is HAVING to do work from home that wouldn't be the exact same scenario as a teacher HAVING to get her lesson plan straightened out/adjusted because of a day off? Either the employee has the choice of doing that work at home (like a teacher) or coming in early/staying late to make up that work (like a teacher).
:bs: all you want, its stated right here its a crappy practice, but its perfectly legal and business do practice it.

Because if the Average Joe is off, he has to take vacation. He may work from home to negate having to use vacation, but its an either or. (thats setting aside a work-a-holic who does still work from home and still takes a vacation day).

Where as there is no dictate that a teach HAS to work from home, if they are off they do not HAVE to work. They MAY choose too, but it doesnt affect their paycheck (directly) either way.
 

NoName

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what is the matter with you? Seriously, they don't 'get off' they work at home.

I suppose PE teachers may relax the day away, but your average teacher just catches up on work or has to go in to school on a delay for other work. Snow days are for kids not teachers.

ITs the Teachers discretion to do that work, totally up to them.
 

NoName

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In Florida, every "hurricane day" was expected to be made up by both the students and the teachers. So, there goes yout theory. :dork:

Wait, so your blowing out my theory that every school district is different by showing me how another school district is in fact different.

wow :killingme
 

Xaquin44

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ITs the Teachers discretion to do that work, totally up to them.

are you insane?

It is not the teachers discretion to grade papers and do lesson plans. They have to do it or they will be fired.

and guess what?!

When a teacher is 'off' they have to use vacation time too!
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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:bs: all you want, its stated right herehttp://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wptempsnow.htm its a crappy practice, but its perfectly legal and business do practice it.

Because if the Average Joe is off, he has to take vacation. He may work from home to negate having to use vacation, but its an either or. (thats setting aside a work-a-holic who does still work from home and still takes a vacation day).

Where as there is no dictate that a teach HAS to work from home, if they are off they do not HAVE to work. They MAY choose too, but it doesnt affect their paycheck (directly) either way.

Thank you...it IS stated right here....look.
Division of Labor and Industry

The Maryland Guide to Wage Payment and Employment Standards -
Wages and Compensation -
Temporary Closures, Snow Days, Etc.: Not Compensable


An employer may temporarily close its business for any reason and for any length of time without offering special compensation to non-exempt employees who cannot go to work as a result. This is commonly true, for example, during snow emergencies. However, for salaried employees who fit the definition of Executive, Administrative or Professional (defined in this Guide at paragraph V. B.), and who are ready, willing, and able to work, deductions may not be made for time when work is not available. Doing so will remove this category of employee from exempt salary status, entitling the worker to payment of overtime.

So "average joe" gets time and a half if the business decides to use that little practice you claim it is so common to do (don't forget, we're talking salary employees now for a fair comparison...)
 
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