Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

So how do other cities, counties and COUNTRIES do it??

How do BUSINESSES do it? They don't shut down for 2 months to upgrade their servers, or fix workstations.. And if you think kids are hard on computers, try doing network Admin for 500+ engineers that think they know about networking and computers..

First of all, we have the best technology public schools can offer, period. That comes with hard work.

Not every public school system is as effeicent as Charles County. We try to be proactive. :shrug:

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

year round school really isn't a bad idea, as long as the school buildings are designed for it. some schools still don't have AC so school in the summer is not an option because the people who have to work there in the summer as it is sweat so hard they lose 25 pounds in a day. other than that, there are certainly some significant advantages.

:fixed:

 

[JLS]

Psst...she's been proven wrong. Caramelo should go back to Canada. Maybe the teacher work round the clock there.

Psst.. I can see that after 12+ pages of people talking back to her..

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Psst.. I can see that after 12+ pages of people talking back to her..

I got my first infraction replying to her.

At least now I know I'm a regular to SOMD.com forums.

Thanks Vrai.

 

[Pete]

And they make 12 months worth of pay for those 9 months of work..

OOK, so minus the workshops during the summer, they get 110 days off a year.. still a hell of a lot more than the 4 - 6 hours of vacation per pay period I get.


AND if they do 'other school related things' in the summer don't they get MORE money?? For example.. if they teach summer school?

I don't blame her for taking a cruise.. maybe it was her parents 75th anniversary cruise and she had no bearing on when it was going to be.. what I don't get, if you have a 9 months a year job WHY should you accrue vacation time at all?? Sick time, understandable.. maternity leave, understandable.. but an extra 10 (?) days of vacation time on top of the 120 you already get off??

I am confused. School runs from the 3rd week in August until the first or second week in June. I looked at the Julian callendar and that looks like 287 days that school is in session. That would leave roughly 78 days in the summer, minus workshops, classes, and the week they work before students arrive in August. I would guess that is 60 days or so and not the 120 number you mentioned.

 

[jenbengen]

My son just started CHopticon this year. His English Honors teacher has been out all week and the sub told them she will be out part of next week that she is on a cruise. How can this be allowed? I made a phone call and it was confirmed that she is indeed on a cruise. She couldn't do this over a break? Do teachers live in the real world???? This has me livid and I plan on calling Annapolis about this. No wonder the children aren't learning anything.

Are you serious? Shame on them for needing a break!!! It's cheaper to cruise when it isn't spring break or summer. Given what they get paid, I suspect this was better for her. The kids won't be drooling and ignorant from being away for 1 1/2 weeks. If your kid suffers THAT much from her being away that amount of time, then maybe you aren't doing your job.You need a wake up call.

Over-reactor.

Oh, and that green karma you just received from me was supposed to be RED. You got lucky.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I am confused. School runs from the 3rd week in August until the first or second week in June. I looked at the Julian callendar and that looks like 287 days that school is in session. That would leave roughly 78 days in the summer, minus workshops, classes, and the week they work before students arrive in August. I would guess that is 60 days or so and not the 120 number you mentioned.

There's exactly 180 days of school once you subtract winter break, inservice days, holidays and everything else.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Are you serious? Shame on them for needing a break!!! It's cheaper to cruise when it isn't spring break or summer. Given what they get paid, I suspect this was better for her. The kids won't be drooling and ignorant from being away for 1 1/2 weeks. If your kid suffers THAT much from her being away that amount of time, then maybe you aren't doing your job.You need a wake up call.

 

[hotmomma]

I was just thinking, the handbook states that if kids go on vacation during the school year that it is unexcused and too many unexcused absences you can fail. I don't know if the schools have ever failed anyone because of this reason but I think parents should be able to go away anytime they want with their kids. I know school is important but I should be able to go away whenever I want. Just a thought

 

[Pete]

There's exactly 180 days of school once you subtract winter break, inservice days, holidays and everything else.

Inservice days don't count as a worked day? The teachers are there but not the students. I think you are counting days under instruction.

When calculating vacation days weekends are typically not included. If they were when I explain the benefits and PTO at my company and I could say; "We offer 124 vacation days plus 7 holidays."

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Inservice days don't count as a worked day? The teachers are there but not the students. I think you are counting days under instruction.

When calculating vacation days weekends are typically not included. If they were when I explain the benefits and PTO at my company and I could say; "We offer 124 vacation days plus 7 holidays."

For teachers, they do.

Teachers have to work one week sooner, one week later and all inservice days. Also, take into account the half days and that most of them stay late (6-7pm, I've seen some stay and work until 10). A lot (probably more than half) of teachers also come in on weekends and work, although it's not required.

I'm not a teacher, but we have to have a certain number of hours and a certain number of days, 240, worked. If we stay late on so many days and get that many hours (maybe staying til 10 or coming in early), it counts as a day and we'd get an extra day off of work.

 

[MMDad]

I was just thinking, the handbook states that if kids go on vacation during the school year that it is unexcused

It depends on how you handle it with the school. If Johnny is a senior with a 1.2 GPA and reading at a fourth grade level, you probably can't convince them that two weeks in Cancun should be excused.

If you work with the teachers before the vacation to ensure that the child, the class, and the teacher are not affected by the abscence, it can be excused.

It's no different with the teachers. If the teacher in question called in Monday morning and said "I'm going on a cruise. Get a sub." she'd probably be fired. But if a teacher prepares lesson plans, has all grading done, and has everything ready for a sub, why shouldn't they be allowed to use the vacation that they earned?

 

[Pete]

For teachers, they do.

Teachers have to work one week sooner, one week later and all inservice days. Also, take into account the half days and that most of them stay late (6-7pm, I've seen some stay and work until 10). A lot (probably more than half) of teachers also come in on weekends and work, although it's not required.

So you are confirming that they do not get 120 "vacation days"?

 

[MMDad]

So you are confirming that they do not get 120 "vacation days"?

Are you really going to be surprised when you find that Bob was talking out his ass? (again)

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

So you are confirming that they do not get 120 "vacation days"?

Trying to determine how many "days" they get off isn't the right approach. It's possible/PROBABLE that this teacher worked late many times, worked on weekends and very much earned the extra days off for her cruise.

I'm a 12-month, we have 240 days a year that we have to work. That's 125 days off. I'd have to run over and ask a teacher how many "days" they get off per year, but again it's not the right approach to look at this debate.

 

[JLS]

I got my first infraction replying to her.

At least now I know I'm a regular to SOMD.com forums.

Thanks Vrai.

Infraction from her !?!?

 

[Pete]

Trying to determine how many "days" they get off isn't the right approach. It's possible/PROBABLE that this teacher worked late many times, worked on weekends and very much earned the extra days off for her cruise.

I'm a 12-month, we have 240 days a year that we have to work. That's 125 days off. I'd have to run over and ask a teacher how many "days" they get off per year, but again it's not the right approach to look at this debate.

I don't care about voluntary. I want to know the minimum they are contractually bound to work. I don't count weekends during the school year as vacation days.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Infraction from her !?!?

Vrai gave me an infraction for calling the person who started the thread a "douche bag."

 

[hotmomma]

why shouldn't they be allowed to use the vacation that they earned?

I think they are entitled to vacation just like everyone else. I think parents should be able to take their kids on vacation anytime they want also. Of course planning ahead of time is always the best idea. I'm sure it wouldn't go over too well with most employers if the employee walked in on Friday and said "by the way, I won't be in next week cause I leave for the Bahamas." Everyone needs a vacation.

Bahamas would be sooo nice right now. My fingers are frozen. brrrrrrrr

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I don't care about voluntary. I want to know the minimum they are contractually bound to work. I don't count weekends during the school year as vacation days.

During the school year, they get 10 vacation days + sick leave. The sick leave builds up after so long, though.

In other words, Bob was talking out of his azz.