Debate

[HazelIrishEyes]

Im sorry but I dont agree with abortion. My son was born with a heart condition and many other problems and I could not imagine my life without him. I know Ive had this debate before with someone and was told if they were in my situation they would have aborted. It really broke my heart reading that just cause I look into my sons eyes now and see all the love and support we have for him. He will be 11 in July and never could imagine life without him. He has been through numerous surgeries and will have some here and there throughout his life. One thing he will tell you is God gave him life and he fights every day to live. We didnt know about his heart condition and should have known by our doctor. She should have detected something right away, but she overlooked many things. Parents who live everyday with special needs children are fighters and i look up to them for giving there child a chance to live as much as a normal life as possible. I know my son will have to fight his way through life with the many problems he has but hes a strong boy who wants life!

Kudos to you. I use to work with handicapped children, and alot of them were abandoned by their families. I absolutely love them, they are extremely smart, more than anyone gives them credit for, and they are so loveable!

 

[kvj21075]

Yet people do it successfully all the time and their children grow up loved, cared for and productive within their abilities.

this is true, and im not just assuming the stress it puts on the child, mom and family, i have lived it. my family loves my uncle, he is awesome. but it is ALOT of work. obviously. my parents cant even take a vacation because there isnt anyone to take care of my uncle, if they want to go grocery shopping they have to hire someone to watch him for a couple hours, my mom can only work part time because she needs to take care of my uncle. the strain on her body from lifting him constantly. we love him but theres always the thought in the back of my head, of how would life be if he were normal or not alive. and i give props to my gma. when my uncle was born dead and they brought him back to life, the doctors were trying to get her to sign papers to "get rid" of him, she refused. the child after my uncle, almost ended up the same way because of the doctors, thank God my Grandad went in there raising hell and forced them to do a c-section.

Unless you have the capability to have a child and/or abort a child, GET THE EFF OUT OF THIS TREAD!

It's the general consensus that numerous forumites think you should have been aborted.....just sayin.

see, obviously the dissabilities that PCJ has, shouldve been aborted.



one other thought is, of the child. my uncle will never be able to wipe his own a$$, have a relationship, make his own food, get into his bed on his own. If I were to be born that way, would i want to be aborted?

 

[lbreder]

Kudos to you. I use to work with handicapped children, and alot of them were abandoned by their families. I absolutely love them, they are extremely smart, more than anyone gives them credit for, and they are so loveable!

Thank you!These children are some of the most kind hearted and slefless people you will ever meet. I think we all could learn something from these kids and how precious life is. Try to look and see how happy they are its amazing!

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

There you go again. Talking about things of which know nothing. Autism is not a reduced mental capacity and like I said before you should read more on the subject if you have the reading and comprehension skills.

Good to know.
I just threw it out as an example of something that is actually a disability, unlike ADHD :shrug:

Hey Mr Wizard here's a news flash for you - all parents sacrifice for their children, it does not matter if they are handicapped or not!

Part of the "job" of being a responsible parent....he hasn't figured that out yet as he has none

I guess ya'll don't understand what "have to sacrifice 'more' " means.

That's ok.

 

[HazelIrishEyes]

Good to know.
I just threw it out as an example of something that is actually a disability, unlike ADHD :shrug:





I guess ya'll don't understand what "have to sacrifice 'more' " means.

That's ok.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Honestly, if that is a picture of you in your AV, you can smack me all you want

 

[kvj21075]

Honestly, if that is a picture of you in your AV, you can smack me all you want

and i can say for once i 100% agree with you!

 

[HazelIrishEyes]

Honestly, if that is a picture of you in your AV, you can smack me all you want

OH IT IS BABYthis goes for you too Kvj)

 

[onebdzee]

I guess ya'll don't understand what "have to sacrifice 'more' " means.

That's ok.

You're right, I don't understand what it's like "to sacrifice 'more'"....please explain to me how you, who has never had a child and in most peoples eyes STILL a child yourself, do this

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

You're right, I don't understand what it's like "to sacrifice 'more'"....please explain to me how you, who has never had a child and in most peoples eyes STILL a child yourself, do this

Simple example:
Kid A has no mental/physical medical issues.
Kid B has cerebral palsy, for example.

You are going to be required to give more time (sacrifice, you know...doing things you enjoy, sacrifice time that could be spent connecting with your other kid, etc) with the disabled child.

You are going to have to sacrifice financially, because child B needs treatment of various kinds (counseling, therapy, etc) or you may possibly have to hire assistance to help take care of him.

These sacrifices aren't made for the average child, thus, you are sacrificing more for your special child.

I can't put it much more straightforward than that

 

[SoMDGirl42]

Good to know.
I just threw it out as an example of something that is actually a disability, unlike ADHD

johnny, there are days that I would like to just smack the shiat outta you (and your momma too for teaching you to talk or write at all), today is one of them. For ONCE, PLEASE, just STFU already.

 

[toppick08]

Simple example:
Kid A has no mental/physical medical issues.
Kid B has cerebral palsy, for example.

You are going to be required to give more time (sacrifice, you know...doing things you enjoy, sacrifice time that could be spent connecting with your other kid, etc) with the disabled child.

You are going to have to sacrifice financially, because child B needs treatment of various kinds (counseling, therapy, etc) or you may possibly have to hire assistance to help take care of him.

These sacrifices aren't made for the average child, thus, you are sacrificing more for your special child.

I can't put it much more straightforward than that

Johnny....I like you man, but if you don't have kids, it's very hard to give credible feedback........jmho

 

[SoMDGirl42]

Johnny....I like you man, but if you don't have kids, it's very hard to give credible feedback........jmho

leave the parenting to the parents and the abortions to the women. I'm done here for now at least

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

johnny, there are days that I would like to just smack the shiat outta you (and your momma too for teaching you to talk or write at all), today is one of them. For ONCE, PLEASE, just STFU already.

Johnny....I like you man, but if you don't have kids, it's very hard to give credible feedback........jmho

leave the parenting to the parents and the abortions to the women. I'm done here for now at least

me too
SLAM

 

[SoMDGirl42]

me too
SLAM

TY. I thought I was going to have to ask BF to photoshop a pic of you with my hand duct taped over your mouth and your fingers in chinese handcuffs.

 

[toppick08]

me too
SLAM

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

TY. I thought I was going to have to ask BF to photoshop a pic of you with my hand duct taped over your mouth and your fingers in chinese handcuffs.

 

[onebdzee]

Well said. My sister has Down Syndrome and I did not suffer at all in any while growing up. Her and I are 2 years apart and she will always be my best friend. Yes when my parents pass away she will come live with me, but that is my choice. She is self sufficient and has a job, but living on her own is not an option. She is such a joy in my life and I would not have traded growing up with her for anything in the world.

But, according to johnny know-everything, you sacrificed a lot to have her as a sister and so did your parents

I guess he doesn't understand that when you are a parent or sibling of a handicapped individual, you don't think of it a sacrifice....you think of it as "normal", because that is your family

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

But, according to johnny know-everything, you sacrificed a lot to have her as a sister and so did your parents

I guess he doesn't understand that when you are a parent or sibling of a handicapped individual, you don't think of it a sacrifice....you think of it as "normal", because that is your family

It's ok that you don't get it.

Most people realize that they DO sacrifice, for even an average child. It's what parents do. You can call it whatever you want, but in the end, it is sacrifice...and I can't believe the folks that try to say that it isn't I say it in the BEST way possible that I respect those folks who sacrifice for their kid, and ya'll still find stuff wrong with that

 

[vraiblonde]

It's ok that you don't get it.

Most people realize that they DO sacrifice, for even an average child. It's what parents do. You can call it whatever you want, but in the end, it is sacrifice...and I can't believe the folks that try to say that it isn't I say it in the BEST way possible that I respect those folks who sacrifice for their kid, and ya'll still find stuff wrong with that

Thank god you're here to tell us all about raising children! I don't know what we'd do without your expert analysis.










####ing idiot.