F'real. I don't think you get any more conservative than Huckabee and Cruz.
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F'real. I don't think you get any more conservative than Huckabee and Cruz.
This_person
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I was comparing content to presentation. If we're talking presentation, Clinton won hands down, and O'Malley probably came in second. Bernie looked lost and confused much of the time. If we're talking "sound and fury, signifying nothing", Sanders won - he had the most one-liners for play on the talking-head shows for the next couple of days.
Clinton had a sound grasp of the issues, and could speak with confidence about many more issues than any other person up there. By poll, most people don't believe her if she tells them today is Wednesday because she is such a known liar. I heard on my drive into work that Sanders was picked by 75% of the Facebook users as winning the debate.
Chris0nllyn
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Glass-Steagall was a direct shot at Hillary Clinton. It was her husband that signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall into law. That's going to play with the base.
Going after Hillary over her and her husband's involvement in the economic collapse as well as her support for the war in Iraq is a winning strategy.
Senator Webb is a Conservative Republican on the Democratic stage. He's running for the wrong party's nomination.
I think O'Malley did the best job among the center left and Sanders on the far left.
Clinton did good too. I just don't like her.
I'm sure that's part of it, but the candidates had plenty of chances to take shots at Hillary. They all played very nice to her (minus "Granite" Chafee, I guess).
I took it as Bernie taking a rousing applause when he went on the corporate bankers/wall street tirade and "People like this, so I'll join to" O'Malley had to try and build on that.
Maybe Webb is more of a libertarian than he realizes? Who knows.
We agree on Clinton, I just didn't see anything O'Malley did as a "leader" quality.
Chris0nllyn
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I chalk it up to people not wanting a typical politician this next election. It's the only thing that explains why Trump and Sanders are even talked about as potential candidates.
I wish Cooper would have mentioned that Sanders' ideas would cost the country $18 trillion, among many, many, other things.
This_person
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I agree with you 100% on all of that. The difference between Sanders and Trump is the difference between Chris Matthews and Sean Hannity - not a lick's worth of difference in presentation or reality, and content is 180 degrees out.
Chris0nllyn
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True, which is why one is in the GOP debates, and the other is in the Dems debates.
I just saw a FB meme that said (paraphrasing), "We are already a Socialist country; what the candidates last night were selling is out and out Communism."
Without giving it a whole lot of thought, I might agree with that.
Without giving it a whole lot of thought, I might agree with that.
This_person
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BOP
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Depends on who the media wants to anoint. At this point, it looks like Screech, but who knows what next week will bring.
BOP
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You don't have a security clearance. If you do, it should be revoked immediately.
crabcake
But wait, there's more...
Cruz is THE most conservative of the GOP pool, and consistently stands by his principles. He has my vote 100 times hands down ...but I digress as it's a dem/dem thread.
Sure that makes complete sense...as long as you don't understand the definition of Socialism or Communism...which fits a huge majority of those who talk about Socialism or Communism.
Hijinx
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Why don't you inform of us your version of he two?
I want to see Bernie as P and Hill as VP, I figure Bernie will last until about February before the .45 cal heart attack.
The real winner last night should have been Anderson Cooper. He was by far the best moderator of the to-date 3 debates. He didn't look or act like he was playing for the cameras...or trying out for his next job with another network.
Webb was by far the best candidate as it related to defense. If the Republican party still was what it always was, he'd be a great candidate for the GOP. Unfortunately, the GOP has been overrun by the reactionary right.
If the Republican party was today what it was in the past, this should be an easy White House win. But the GOP is a mess...the candidates are a joke...and we are going to get Hillary Clinton as President...great...wonderful...whoppiee....congratulations y'all....you get the govt you vote for...if the best you can put forth are Donald Trump and Ben Carson...you are voting to lose.
How anyone can vote for Hillary Clinton is beyond me...how anyone can listen to her is beyond me. The first question of the evening was one of the best. Chaffe reminded me of Ron Paul...a child at the grown ups table. O'Malley hasn't looked or sounded Presidential at any point in this process...last night was no different.
Sanders is obviously a man of great passion who wants to discuss ways to fix the country...but he is too far left.
So what are we left with? No good choices...one again. So what will we end up with? Gridlock...no movement on any of the real issues facing this country...and the winners are the lobbyists...and fat cat donors who want nothing to change.
Webb was by far the best candidate as it related to defense. If the Republican party still was what it always was, he'd be a great candidate for the GOP. Unfortunately, the GOP has been overrun by the reactionary right.
If the Republican party was today what it was in the past, this should be an easy White House win. But the GOP is a mess...the candidates are a joke...and we are going to get Hillary Clinton as President...great...wonderful...whoppiee....congratulations y'all....you get the govt you vote for...if the best you can put forth are Donald Trump and Ben Carson...you are voting to lose.
How anyone can vote for Hillary Clinton is beyond me...how anyone can listen to her is beyond me. The first question of the evening was one of the best. Chaffe reminded me of Ron Paul...a child at the grown ups table. O'Malley hasn't looked or sounded Presidential at any point in this process...last night was no different.
Sanders is obviously a man of great passion who wants to discuss ways to fix the country...but he is too far left.
So what are we left with? No good choices...one again. So what will we end up with? Gridlock...no movement on any of the real issues facing this country...and the winners are the lobbyists...and fat cat donors who want nothing to change.
Oh my god... two posts in one thread!!! The end of the world must be near!!! 
Bann
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