Divorced Wiccans fight Judge's order.

[Kain99]

I know the argument here is about where the division between church and state should be, and about how deep into "personal" issues the law should go. As Kain said, the judge was probably disgusted by the freaks.

But from where I sit the real substance of the issue isn't secular at all, because the ex-couple and their child are going to He11 if someone doesn't get their attention, and at least give them the opportunity get right with God. Teaching a child wrong, especially if the child loves and respects the teacher (i.e., parent(s)), is a hideous way of endangering that child's soul.

But the parents have that covered! They have their baby enrolled in Catholic School! :

I'm sorry... I just couldn't resist!

 

[Tonio]

But from where I sit the real substance of the issue isn't secular at all, because the ex-couple and their child are going to He11 if someone doesn't get their attention, and at least give them the opportunity get right with God. Teaching a child wrong, especially if the child loves and respects the teacher (i.e., parent(s)), is a hideous way of endangering that child's soul.

Railroad, those are your personal religious beliefs, and I respect those. I just believe that personal religious beliefs shouldn't be confused with facts of law. The law should be silent on questions of whether the soul exists or whether Hell exists.

 

[mAlice]

We pagans think you christians are weird.

 

[Kain99]

The law should be silent on questions of whether the soul exists or whether Hell exists.

Exactly! How are we supposed to FRY people if we worry about silly things like Hell?

God I don't know what's gotten into me! I just think this tread is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time!

 

[Railroad]

By the way neither Thomas Jefferson nor Ben Franklin were Christians, they were Deists.

There you go, confusing the issue with facts!

I believe this country was founded on Christian principles and that the religious freedom everyone runs to was intended to be freedom to worship God and Jesus Christ without the influence of the Anglican church. It was to allow fundamentalists (folks like me but a good bit more conservative) the freedom to worship God. It was not intended to sanction or condone ANY other religion (or lack thereof).

 

[Triggerfish]

A question...how would you feel if you lived in say Utah and they were able to pass a law saying that you must raise your children up as Mormon? Or Baptist or Catholic?

Yes, I know that's not going to happen.

Maybe I was wrong....if Indiana can say children should be protected from Wicca then Utah may be able to say that children have to be protected against non-Mormon religious groups and in Hawaii which is predominantly Asian you may be even more surprised.

 

[Kain99]

There you go, confusing the issue with facts!

I believe this country was founded on Christian principles and that the religious freedom everyone runs to was intended to be freedom to worship God and Jesus Christ without the influence of the Anglican church. It was to allow fundamentalists (folks like me but a good bit more conservative) the freedom to worship God. It was not intended to sanction or condone ANY other religion (or lack thereof).

Send Railroad down South for a couple days and he comes back looking like Oral Roberts!

 

[Railroad]

We pagans think you christians are weird.

We Christians think you pagans are weird.

"Oh the Protestants
Hate the Catholics
And the Catholics
Hate the Protestants
And the Muslims
Hate the Hindus
And everybody hates the Jews...."

 

[Triggerfish]

There you go, confusing the issue with facts!

I don't remember how long I've been awake so I'm starting to get confused between my mouse and everything else on my desk. Oh, I've been up almost 24 hrs now and I have to be up at around 3:30PM for getting readyt for work.

So if I sound confused don't mind me.

 

[Railroad]

Send Railroad down South for a couple days and he comes back looking like Oral Roberts!

Nah - I've been staying away from this type of topic for a long time, but the forums are kinda sparse right now.....sort of like draining a pond; the fish get crowded as the water level sinks....

 

[mAlice]

We Christians think you pagans are weird.

We already established that. Hence, my post.

 

[Triggerfish]

We Christians think you pagans are weird.

"Oh the Protestants
Hate the Catholics
And the Catholics
Hate the Protestants
And the Muslims
Hate the Hindus
And everybody hates the Jews...."

pssstttt....did you know that the Japanese gave sanctuary to thousands of Jews during WWII?

 

[Triggerfish]

the fish get crowded as the water level sinks....

I resemble that remark....

 

[Railroad]

Maybe I was wrong....if Indiana can say children should be protected from Wicca then Utah may be able to say that children have to be protected against non-Mormon religious groups and in Hawaii which is predominantly Asian you may be even more surprised.

Hmmm....dividing the country up into faith-based slices! Interesting idea! See what sleep deprivation does for the imagination?

 

[Triggerfish]

Hmmm....dividing the country up into faith-based slices! Interesting idea! See what sleep deprivation does for the imagination?

The South West and large chunks of FLA and N. England would be Catholic. Nevada aka Dessert would be Mormon. The rest of country besides Hawaii would be micro communities of different Protestant groups. NYC would be chaos.

 

[Railroad]

The South West and large chunks of FLA and N. England would be Catholic. Nevada aka Dessert would be Mormon. The rest of country besides Hawaii would be micro communities of different Protestant groups. NYC would be chaos.

Whaddaya mean "would be?!"

 

[Triggerfish]

OK time for me to go to sleep before my Catholic wife comes down and yells at me for still being up. :bye:

 

[Tonio]

It was not intended to sanction or condone ANY other religion (or lack thereof).

I hope you're not saying that you want the law to forbid anyone from subscribing to a non-Christian religion.

 

[Kain99]

I hope you're not saying that you want the law to forbid anyone from subscribing to a non-Christian religion.

Hey Tonio... Ya might have missed it but we're all laughing! Relax,no one is taking this tread all that seriously.

 

[Railroad]

We already established that. Hence, my post.

Glad you closed the loop on that - I was getting nervous.