Do you give 10%????

[maylinduplantis]

but if judging is a sin, and being gay is a sin, and no sin is any worse than another, how is the cross-dresser any worse off than he who judges him?

no... they aren't saying being gay is worse than whatever... what they they are asking him is to leave his sin at the door... how can you be forgiven for the sin if you continue to do it, without remorse...

If I go out and kill someone, and ask forgiveness, only to go back out to kill again knowing I'll be forgiven because "its only sin" then I won't be forgiven... the same goes for every sin... be it theft, lying, etc... there is no forgiveness if you are not remorseful... wearing a dress, obviously trying to show you're gay, is not remorseful and shows that there is no want to be forgiven...

 

[nomoney]

"If money is the root of all evil, then why do churches want so much of it?"

 

[2ndAmendment]

I believe that tithing is something you need to come to terms with between yourself and God... 10% is just the average tithe, that most people feel is acceptable... to me, some weeks I struggle with giving to the offering, financially, but then other weeks, it's not even a question...

however, I believe someone who is visiting a church shouldn't feel pressured to give to the church they are visiting... there are members of the congregation who belong to the church, that's their job...

and a church isn't about big gold crosses, or fancy robes, either... its not about having 30 acres of land to fight over it uses for... it's about being there, for God, in God's presence... When you visit friends, and family, you wouldn't go into their house and disrespect their beliefs... you wouldn't go into their house and go "wow, this is a really nice kitchen counter, but you could of spent the money on getting new carpet for the bedroom" because that's disrespectful... you do go "I'm not coming back here because there isn't any black/gays/etc. here to make me feel more comfortable" but I digress...

like I said before, tithing should be a personal connection between yourself and God, and saying that not tithing is stealing is a bit harsh and judgmental... some struggle to feed themselves every week, and 10% means the difference between their child starving and not...

I agree with most of what you post. But I did not say not tithing was robbing God; the Bible does. If you believe the Bible is the word of God like I do, then that equates to God said it. The word tithe means a tenth or 10%; that is the definition.

It is not easy to give our finances to God especially when money is tight, but as has been said, a tithe can be given in time rather than money or goods.

 

[nomoney]

Clothing does not make a difference. Some men wear suits. Some wear jeans and tee shirts. I usually wear an aloha shirt and dress pants. Some women wear slacks and some wear dresses. Some wear sweats. Clothing does not make a difference.

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Then why do all the women in your church have to wear long skirts and dresses?

 

[maylinduplantis]

"If money is the root of all evil, then why do churches want so much of it?"

Churches don't "want" money, they don't thrive on it... or at least a normal church doesn't... a church "needs" money as much as you and I do... they don't get a weekly paycheck from the higher ups... churches don't get a pot of gold from God to pay the bills... any church that collects more than its needs, isn't a church I want to be a part of...

thats why I left roman catholicism...

 

[crabcake]

no... they aren't saying being gay is worse than whatever... what they they are asking him is to leave his sin at the door... how can you be forgiven for the sin if you continue to do it, without remorse...

If I go out and kill someone, and ask forgiveness, only to go back out to kill again knowing I'll be forgiven because "its only sin" then I won't be forgiven... the same goes for every sin... be it theft, lying, etc... there is no forgiveness if you are not remorseful... wearing a dress, obviously trying to show you're gay, is not remorseful and shows that there is no want to be forgiven...

One isn't any more likely to NEVER judge again any more than one is likely to quit cross-dressing to please his judge.

And if "sins are to be checked at the door" then those sitting in the church shouldn't sit in judgement. :shrug:

 

[maylinduplantis]

I agree with most of what you post. But I did not say not tithing was robbing God; the Bible does. If you believe the Bible is the word of God like I do, then that equates to God said it. The word tithe means a tenth or 10%; that is the definition.

It is not easy to give our finances to God especially when money is tight, but as has been said, a tithe can be given in time rather than money or goods.

I'm not going to agrue the Word, because you're a little better at it than I am but if you could point me in the direction of said verse(s) that would be peachy

 

[2ndAmendment]

but if judging is a sin, and being gay is a sin, and no sin is any worse than another, how is the cross-dresser any worse off than he who judges him?

Judging sin is not sin. Judging others is sin. If I agree with the Bible that murder is sin and tell a murderer that murder is sin, I have not judged. If I tell the murderer they are going to hell because they committed murder, then that is judging. See the difference? People do not have control over who goes to heaven or hell, God does. People are to know what sin is and to choose not to sin. Christians are to proclaim that sin is wrong and proclaim the love of God, His grace, and forgiveness of sin through Jesus.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Then why do all the women in your church have to wear long skirts and dresses?

They don't.

 

[maylinduplantis]

One isn't any likely to NEVER judge again any more than one is likely to quit cross-dressing to please his judge.

And if "sins are to be checked at the door" then those sitting in the church shouldn't sit in judgement. :shrug:

I think you're beating a dead horse... it isn't like they're going "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL YOU HOMO!"

how are they judging him any different as if you were sitting at church and someone would steal your purse? are you going to go "oh, well, I'm not to judge, he's only trying" or would you ask for your purse back? or the same goes if you were stabbed...

 

[crabcake]

Judging sin is not sin. Judging others is sin. If I agree with the Bible that murder is sin and tell a murderer that murder is sin, I have not judged. If I tell the murderer they are going to hell because they committed murder, then that is judging. See the difference? People do not have control over who goes to heaven or hell, God does. People are to know what sin is and to choose not to sin. Christians are to proclaim that sin is wrong and proclaim the love of God, His grace, and forgiveness of sin through Jesus.

I understand the difference you post; however, is it spelled out that way "judging sin is not sin" in the Bible?

 

[watercolor]

Then why do all the women in your church have to wear long skirts and dresses?

I am not positive, but I dont believe 2A's church is like that.


Although- which brings me to the question- what religion or whatever does require women only wear dresses and skirts? And why? Have always been curious about that.

 

[crabcake]

I think you're beating a dead horse... it isn't like they're going "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL YOU HOMO!"

how are they judging him any different as if you were sitting at church and someone would steal your purse? are you going to go "oh, well, I'm not to judge, he's only trying" or would you ask for your purse back? or the same goes if you were stabbed...

I'm not beating a dead horse; I'm asking questions, and I'm not ridiculing anyone. I'm trying to understand how some "sins" are justified while others are chastised.

Bad example with the purse; that sin brings direct harm to me/my family. Some guy deciding to wear a tu-tu does not.

 

[2ndAmendment]

"If money is the root of all evil, then why do churches want so much of it?"

Money is not the root of all evil and that is a common miss quote of scripture.

1 Timothy 6:9-11

<sup id="en-NASB-29798">9</sup>But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.

<sup id="en-NASB-29799">10</sup>For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

<sup id="en-NASB-29800">11</sup>But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.

 

[maylinduplantis]

I'm not beating a dead horse; I'm asking questions, and I'm not ridiculing anyone. I'm trying to understand how some "sins" are justified while others are chastised.

Bad example with the purse; that sin brings direct harm to me/my family. Some guy deciding to wear a tu-tu does not.

he took your purse, he didn't harm you... but it was a stretch of an example...

 

[2ndAmendment]

I'm not going to agrue the Word, because you're a little better at it than I am but if you could point me in the direction of said verse(s) that would be peachy

The one that specifically says "rob" is the one I quoted from Malachi in my first post in this thread.

 

[crabcake]

he took your purse, he didn't harm you... but it was a stretch of an example...

If my smokes, car keys and paycheck are in there, you can bet your sweet it's gonna hurt me!

 

[crabcake]

Money is not the root of all evil and that is a common miss quote of scripture.

Your quote:

For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil

Not a whole lot of difference there though.

 

[nomoney]

I am not positive, but I dont believe 2A's church is like that.


Although- which brings me to the question- what religion or whatever does require women only wear dresses and skirts? And why? Have always been curious about that.

Good question because I coulda sworn it was the same church. Long long hair and ankle length skirts

 

[2ndAmendment]

I understand the difference you post; however, is it spelled out that way "judging sin is not sin" in the Bible?

Yes. We are discern (judge) good and evil (sin).

Hebrews 5:12-14

<sup id="en-NASB-30043">12</sup>For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

<sup id="en-NASB-30044">13</sup>For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

<sup id="en-NASB-30045">14</sup>But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.