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maylinduplantis

gunslinger
crabcake said:
Your quote:


Not a whole lot of difference there though. :ohwell:

money itself is not the root of evil, but the love of money is the root... money, itself, can be used for great things... curing cancer, building a better meatloaf, or what have you... but, if you love money, then you have damned yourself, because the money becomes the center of your world...
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
crabcake said:
I'm not beating a dead horse; I'm asking questions, and I'm not ridiculing anyone. I'm trying to understand how some "sins" are justified while others are chastised.

Bad example with the purse; that sin brings direct harm to me/my family. Some guy deciding to wear a tu-tu does not.
Allowing a guy to wear a tu-tu and use the women's bathroom harms repentant homosexuals that have turned away from the sin of homosexual behavior just like setting a bottle of whiskey is wrong to put before a recovering alcoholic.
 

sleuth

Livin' Like Thanksgivin'
nomoney said:
"If money is the root of all evil, then why do churches want so much of it?"
Money isn't the root of all evil.

"So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?"

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears, not all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper ... are a token of honor—your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money, Is this what you consider evil?"

...

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced."

...

"Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money—and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it."

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it."


~an excerpt from "Atlas Shrugged"
 

crabcake

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2ndAmendment said:
Yes. We are discern (judge) good and evil (sin).
Hebrews 5:12-14

<sup id="en-NASB-30043">12</sup>For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. CC Interpretation: You should know better by now and demonstrate christian behavior, but you don't and need to re-learn the basics.

<sup id="en-NASB-30044">13</sup>For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. CC Interpretation: If you continue to sin, you cannot proclaim as a teacher.

<sup id="en-NASB-30045">14</sup>But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. CC Interpretation: Discerning good and evil for yourself or your life; it says nothing of discerning it for others.


I interpret that to be applicable of your own life and the sins you commit; not as biblical 'okay' to judge others. :confused:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
nomoney said:
:yeahthat: Good question because I coulda sworn it was the same church. :confused: Long long hair and ankle length skirts :confused:
The wearing of long skits and plain hairsyles and no makeup goes to the idea of being plain and not seeking to be something you are not and being modest. Same goes to wearing a lot of "bling". There is at least one verse in the Bible that points to this. The Amish are very strict in observing that.

It is not a sin to have ornate hair and clothing. No. The Bible does not say that.
 
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crabcake

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2ndAmendment said:
Allowing a guy to wear a tu-tu and use the women's bathroom harms repentant homosexuals that have turned away from the sin of homosexual behavior just like setting a bottle of whiskey is wrong to put before a recovering alcoholic.
Okay, I'll grant you that using the women's bathroom is inappropriate. That's potentially harmful for women in that it might be uncomfortable for them (wouldn't bother me, but I'm not "everyone"). But ... how do you know the person was gay? Did he proclaim such when he walked in the church or did you assume such b/c he dressed in a manner which you found inappropriate?
 

nomoney

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sleuth said:
Money isn't the root of all evil.


Seems like everyone has their own opinions :shrug: Just because you posted someone else's opinion (not even yours) doesn't make it true :yay:



Besides it was in quotes for a reason-it was a bumper sticker :yay:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
crabcake said:
I interpret that to be applicable of your own life and the sins you commit; not as biblical 'okay' to judge others. :confused:
Has to do with teaching. Teaching good vs evil. Read the whole chapter.
 

sleuth

Livin' Like Thanksgivin'
nomoney said:
Seems like everyone has their own opinions :shrug: Just because you posted someone else's opinion (not even yours) doesn't make it true :yay:



Besides it was in quotes for a reason-it was a bumper sticker :yay:
It is my opinion. We share it. The author just says it much better than me. And makes all the money off it too. :lol:
 

crabcake

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2ndAmendment said:
Yes there is. Money is an object. Love of money is action involving choice.
Okay, I can see that. :yay:

So you're saying that to place such a high value on the almighty dollar is sinful; not the dollar itself?
 

crabcake

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2ndAmendment said:
Has to do with teaching. Teaching good vs evil. Read the whole chapter.
Okay, teaching ... sharing the word of God ... I get that.

But that's not the same as judging.

teach ([font=verdana,sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (t
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v. taught, (tôt) teach·ing, teach·es
v. tr.
  1. To impart knowledge or skill to: <cite>teaches children.</cite>
  2. To provide knowledge of; instruct in: <cite>teaches French.</cite>
  3. To condition to a certain action or frame of mind: <cite>teaching youngsters to be self-reliant.</cite>
  4. To cause to learn by example or experience: <cite>an accident that taught me a valuable lesson.</cite>
  5. To advocate or preach: <cite>teaches racial and religious tolerance.</cite>
  6. To carry on instruction on a regular basis in: <cite>taught high school for many years.</cite>
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judge ([font=verdana,sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (j
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v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v. tr.
  1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: <cite>judge heights; judging character.</cite>
    1. Law. To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: <cite>judge a case.</cite>
    2. Obsolete. To pass sentence on; condemn.
    3. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: <cite>judge an essay contest.</cite>
  2. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
  3. Informal. To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: <cite>I judge you're right.</cite>
  4. Bible. To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
 

sleuth

Livin' Like Thanksgivin'
crabcake said:
Okay, I can see that. :yay:

So you're saying that to place such a high value on the almighty dollar is sinful; not the dollar itself?
I don't know that placing a high value on the dollar makes it a sin.
I think what makes it a sin is putting your value of the dollar above your value of God.
 

crabcake

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sleuth said:
I think what makes it a sin is putting your value of the dollar above your value of God.
Kinda like placing the value of the tithe over the value of a participating family who cannot tithe ...

I'm back on topic, Kwillia! :thewave:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
crabcake said:
Okay, I'll grant you that using the women's bathroom is inappropriate. That's potentially harmful for women in that it might be uncomfortable for them (wouldn't bother me, but I'm not "everyone"). But ... how do you know the person was gay? Did he proclaim such when he walked in the church or did you assume such b/c he dressed in a manner which you found inappropriate?
Com' on. Now you are just being argumentative.

What is this? Let's all go into the Religion forum and pull 2A's chain day? Not enough drama in Chit Chat of Fight Club?
 
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