Does anyone know what's going on around the Lexington Park Post Office?

[BadGirl]

This is fun. Arguing with a a bunch of idionts, I mean. It's not fun that someone died.

 

[sugarmama]

People like you are the reason there are so many violent criminals out roaming the streets. To hell with some other woman's child (that your hypothetical kid killed) - she can piss up a rope as long as your kid doesn't face the consequences of his actions.

That is just effed up and one of the more ugly things I've ever heard.

 

[sugarmama]

And when all else fails, hire a big shot lawyer and hope for the best:shrug:

I wouldn't hire a big shot lawyer. I'd let my own idiot son who murdered someone take it on his own.
Of course, I wouldn't abandon my child, but I wouldn't help either.

 

[sugarmama]

And I'd be willing to say that we'll all be reading about your child in the headlines of a local or national newspaper, or better yet, on America's Most Wanted.

When we read about your boy being arrested for smoking dope, we'll be sure to tell the cops to arrest you because it's your fault.

 

[Masey]

People like you are the reason there are so many violent criminals out roaming the streets. To hell with some other woman's child (that your hypothetical kid killed) - she can piss up a rope as long as your kid doesn't face the consequences of his actions.

That is just effed up and one of the more ugly things I've ever heard.

So, if I hire my child a defense attorney rather than letting them be defended by legal aid, I'm responsible for the violent criminals out roaming the streets. And how does that translate into my kid not facing the consequences for his actions? Are you saying that our legal system is flawed and that people that actually hire attorneys don't ultimately face the consequences for their action?

 

[vraiblonde]

What if Nick DIDN'T exhibit any odd behaviors to make anyone think he was dangerous?

It's ridiculous to think that a 22 year old guy went from perfectly normal and sane to beating someone with a golf club and stabbing them to death within a nanosecond. I do not believe that for one minute. He either has exhibited signs of instability in the past and everyone ignored it OR he was on drugs and "snapped".

But he wasn't just this great guy who'd never hurt a fly one minute, then cleaning his mother's fiancee's blood off his hands the next. That is complete and utter horseshit.

 

[sugarmama]

It's ridiculous to think that a 22 year old guy went from perfectly normal and sane to beating someone with a golf club and stabbing them to death within a nanosecond. I do not believe that for one minute. He either has exhibited signs of instability in the past and everyone ignored it OR he was on drugs and "snapped".

But he wasn't just this great guy who'd never hurt a fly one minute, then cleaning his mother's fiancee's blood off his hands the next. That is complete and utter horseshit.

I'm betting on the drugs and snapped part.
He wasn't a great, perfect man. And I'm not his best friend, so I don't know if he exhibited any odd behaviors. But I CERTAINLY don't think it's his MOTHER'S fault.

 

[Elle]

So, if I hire my child a defense attorney rather than letting them be defended by legal aid, I'm responsible for the violent criminals out roaming the streets.

In a case where it is clearly obvious that your kid is guilty, it then makes you even more of an enabler and yes, you become accountable.

 

[vraiblonde]

So, if I hire my child a defense attorney rather than letting them be defended by legal aid, I'm responsible for the violent criminals out roaming the streets.

You'd definitely be responsible if the lawyer got your kid off on some technicality. And if your kid then went on to murder or hurt someone else, that would be YOUR FAULT and that person's blood would be on YOUR hands.

Are you saying that our legal system is flawed and that people that actually hire attorneys don't ultimately face the consequences for their action?

Ever hear of a guy named OJ Simpson?

 

[BadGirl]

It's ridiculous to think that a 22 year old guy went from perfectly normal and sane to beating someone with a golf club and stabbing them to death within a nanosecond. I do not believe that for one minute. He either has exhibited signs of instability in the past and everyone ignored it OR he was on drugs and "snapped".

But he wasn't just this great guy who'd never hurt a fly one minute, then cleaning his mother's fiancee's blood off his hands the next. That is complete and utter horseshit.

THANK YOU!!!!! You just explained - in a much clearer way than I did - my message.

There had to have been signs that were ignored, and those people who knew him closest, failed him by not getting him the help that he needed.

 

[BadGirl]

When we read about your boy being arrested for smoking dope, we'll be sure to tell the cops to arrest you because it's your fault.

I'd sure as hell rather have my child arrested for smoking dope that getting arrested for whacking someone with a golf club and then stabbing him. But that's just me. Obviously you have a different take of parenting.

 

[Tigerlily]

It's ridiculous to think that a 22 year old guy went from perfectly normal and sane to beating someone with a golf club and stabbing them to death within a nanosecond. I do not believe that for one minute. He either has exhibited signs of instability in the past and everyone ignored it OR he was on drugs and "snapped".

But he wasn't just this great guy who'd never hurt a fly one minute, then cleaning his mother's fiancee's blood off his hands the next. That is complete and utter horseshit.

I think if the true story ever comes to light that there will be a very good possibility that he planned to murder his Stepdad to be. It just does not seem
likely that they were riding together to the firehouse all chummy and so only to have words once they got there and then to be bludgened to death and the attempted cover up afterwards.

 

[BadGirl]

Oh Badgirl! I just had an epiphany. You're absolutely right.
This guy's mom should be arrested for raping the 16 year old girl!!! : http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.viewStory&story_ID=2513

Thank you for helping me see the light.

You're absolutely right. Any 16 year old child/man who does this type of crime clearly wasn't guided or taught the skills of right and wrong, or morality, or what it means to injure someone. The parents of this kid failed him. They had a chance to help create and mold a valuable member of society, and instead, for whatever reason, they chose to ignore their parental responsibilities and allow their son to grow up to be a rapist. I'm sure that they must be very proud.

 

[vraiblonde]

There had to have been signs that were ignored, and those people who knew him closest, failed him by not getting him the help that he needed.

Honestly, I think people who are the closest aren't the best judges of someone's mental instability because they're used to it. A guy I used to work with at Bambino's ended up killing his buddy's wife (the buddy was involved too) for insurance money. Carved her up and stuffed her in the trunk of a car.

His family and friends were like, "He was such a NICE guy" and he was, as far as friendly and fun - BUT. None of us at Bambino's were particularly surprised because this guy was just plain weird and said a lot of things that made you think he had a loose screw. Joe (I can't think of his last name).

People close to psycopaths don't see the behavior because it's the person they've always known. Acquaintances probably see it better, I'd guess.

 

[BadGirl]

Honestly, I think people who are the closest aren't the best judges of someone's mental instability because they're used to it. A guy I used to work with at Bambino's ended up killing his buddy's wife (the buddy was involved too) for insurance money. Carved her up and stuffed her in the trunk of a car.

His family and friends were like, "He was such a NICE guy" and he was, as far as friendly and fun - BUT. None of us at Bambino's were particularly surprised because this guy was just plain weird and said a lot of things that made you think he had a loose screw. Joe (I can't think of his last name).

People close to psycopaths don't see the behavior because it's the person they've always known. Acquaintances probably see it better, I'd guess.

Very valid point. There were people (parents, friends, family, co-workers, etc.) who saw Nick regularly who could guage his behavior, and who knew that things weren't right with him. Particularly as his oddities became more apparent, they should have reported him to the authorities.

Example: the dude from the metro DC area who was just arrested for attempting to bluw up abortionist clinics and kill/maim abortion doctors - his PARENTS turned him in. They knew - or at least strongly suspected - that he was going to do something terrible. They took the appropriate action and alerted the authorities. They should be applauded.

 

[vraiblonde]

Example: the dude from the metro DC area who was just arrested for attempting to bluw up abortionist clinics and kill/maim abortion doctors - his PARENTS turned him in. They knew - or at least strongly suspected - that he was going to do something terrible. They took the appropriate action and alerted the authorities. They should be applauded.

Wasn't it the Unibomber whose own brother turned the cops onto him?

I suppose we ignore creepy behavior in our loved ones because we don't want to believe they're really wacked out and possibly dangerous. But Jabba's story about the child rapist whose parents and wife are sticking right by him even though the guy confessed - that stuff just makes me livid.

 

[dems4me]

Wasn't it the Unibomber whose own brother turned the cops onto him?

I suppose we ignore creepy behavior in our loved ones because we don't want to believe they're really wacked out and possibly dangerous. But Jabba's story about the child rapist whose parents and wife are sticking right by him even though the guy confessed - that stuff just makes me livid.

I think it was, I think he had recognized his brother's ramblings in his "Manifesto"

 

[morganj614]

That is the craziest crap i have ever read. How in the world is Nick's mom responsible for HIM killing Gus?
I believe you have to raise your children to be the best they can be, but once they're of a certain age, they do what they want.
I feel sorry for your son (and you, since you should be punished right along with him) if he EVER does something wrong.

Nick has reached a certain age and did what he wanted. Therefore he should hire his own defense. I'm thinking Momma is feeling guilty for covering up for his problems and that is why she is getting him a defense attorney. She's guilty too.

 

[Ken King]

Yep, his younger brother David recognized his style. I think people thought he was a "nice guy" too before he got caught.

 

[itsbob]

I, being the parent of kids older then ten, agree that the parents failed this person SOMEwhere. Good kids don't grow up to be murderers. GOOD people won't even THINK of sinking a golf club into someone's skull no matter how pissed off they are, let alone slitting someones throat while they are lying helplesly on the floor, and THEN sit there and let them bleed out while you stab them even more to hasten the process.



Mentally unstable? If he was/is then his family HAD to notice the change pre and post accident.



Mental instability should NEVER be a defense.. sane or insane, danger to society? They deserve a little prick..



I have a recruiting story of one case from PA.. for another time.