DWI Checkpoints

[PsyOps]

How do you violate "the intention" of the 4th? It either is or it isn't. Either a search and seizure has happened or it hasn't. By a cop stopping you at a checkpoint actually violate the 4th?

Now, if the cops were stopping folks, and searching all their vehicles then I would have a problem with that.

 

[AK-74me]

How do you violate "the intention" of the 4th? It either is or it isn't. Either a search and seizure has happened or it hasn't. By a cop stopping you at a checkpoint actually violate the 4th?

Yeah, everything is so black and white. Hello, do you not see how this is similar to all the controversy surronding the 2nd Amendment??? People interprut things to meet their agenda.

I think that the founding fathers would of considered this unconstitutional however since this scenario never would of occured back then there is nothing specific to "checkpoints"

 

[ylexot]

Now, if the cops were stopping folks, and searching all their vehicles then I would have a problem with that.

Well, they are stopping people and I am curious what would happen if you refused to roll down your window...

Hell, I might have to find a checkpoint and find out!

 

[AK-74me]

Well, they are stopping people and I am curious what would happen if you refused to roll down your window...

Hell, I might have to find a checkpoint and find out!

I think we all know how that would end up, and it'll be with you uttering the words "don't tase me bro"

 

[ylexot]

I think we all know how that would end up, and it'll be with you uttering the words "don't tase me bro"

Well, I would set up cameras to film it all, but apparently I could get into trouble for that as well

 

[BOHDEN]

yes but they do use those flash lights that detect if you have been drinking

 

[AK-74me]

Well, I would set up cameras to film it all, but apparently I could get into trouble for that as well

Yup, everyone will say, "Well why were you filming in your car unless you were looking to have a run in with the law."

Happened in a thread I posted here about a year ago. Everyone crucified the kid for filming and stuck up for the cop who was threating to do illegal things to him such as make up false charges.

 

[thurley42]

Yeah, everything is so black and white. Hello, do you not see how this is similar to all the controversy surronding the 2nd Amendment??? People interprut things to meet their agenda.

I think that the founding fathers would of considered this unconstitutional however since this scenario never would of occured back then there is nothing specific to "checkpoints"

Yeah...the only rammifications of driving imparied those days was falling off your horse and getting stepped on....

 

[AK-74me]

yes but they do use those flash lights that detect if you have been drinking

Your eyes may be one indicator but if you are suggesting that is the sole tool they use at checkpoints then you don't know much.

 

[PsyOps]

Yeah, everything is so black and white. Hello, do you not see how this is similar to all the controversy surronding the 2nd Amendment??? People interprut things to meet their agenda.

What's the agenda, to get drunk drivers off the roads? Do you really believe, through this, our government has a more devious plot to slowly erode our rights?

I think that the founding fathers would of considered this unconstitutional however since this scenario never would of occured back then there is nothing specific to "checkpoints"

The police have cause to believe there are drunk drivers on the roads during certain times (and certain holidays). They know specifically where these drivers frequent and target those areas. They are not interested in you or others obeying the law. I don't see this as too different than setting up a radar to trap speeders. Your argument about enforcing the law more strictly would apply to speeders as well, yet people continue to speed regardless of how severe they make the penalty. I think the line is drawn pretty clearly where our safety is concerned... I know, I know... "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." (Ben Franklin).. but we aren't necessarily talking about a "little temporary safety", we are talking about people being killed. So the rights of the lives of the innocent outweigh the rights of the lives of the guilty.

You are concerned about a police state, I am concerned about anarchy and chaos that is created from a society that believes our rights are absolute without any sense of responsibility or measure of regard or respect for other's rights... like the right to LIFE, liberty... If you can't see the chaos that is being created out of this growing disregard for the law then what's the point of the Constitution?

 

[moonbeam]

here's an idea, instead of worrying about how to get around a checkpoint, DON'T DRIVE DRUNK!!

 

[ylexot]

Your eyes may be one indicator but if you are suggesting that is the sole tool they use at checkpoints then you don't know much.

I believe they were talking about these:
CNN - Flashlight has a nose for drunken drivers - June 16, 1999

 

[AK-74me]

I don't know if it is the forum or the work computers but it is taking too long to load the pages now.

I'll just reinterate my position that I am aganist drinking and driving but I feel that you have a right to travel on the road ways without getting stopped with no PC.

To get the drunks off the road I think that the penalties should be very tough and there is noway there could ever be a repeat DUI driver.

I'll post again later once this thing speeds up.

 

[Go G-Men]

I don't see this as too different than setting up a radar to trap speeders.

Dui check points are absolutely different than a radar trap. With the radar it will tell the officer that you are breaking the law. The DUI/DWI check point does not determine if you are breaking the law it assumes that some are so all are stopped to catch a few... There is a difference...

Just for the record... I have no problem with the checkpoints... But there is a difference..

 

[PsyOps]

Dui check points are absolutely different than a radar trap. With the radar it will tell the officer that you are breaking the law. The DUI/DWI check point does not determine if you are breaking the law it assumes that some are so all are stopped to catch a few... There is a difference...

Just for the record... I have no problem with the checkpoints... But there is a difference..

So you're saying that when a checkpoint results in catching a drunk driver isn't catching someone breaking the law?

A radar trap assumes people are speeding. A checkpoint assumes there are drunk drivers on the road.

 

[PsyOps]

I don't know if it is the forum or the work computers but it is taking too long to load the pages now.

I'll just reinterate my position that I am aganist drinking and driving but I feel that you have a right to travel on the road ways without getting stopped with no PC.

To get the drunks off the road I think that the penalties should be very tough and there is noway there could ever be a repeat DUI driver.

I'll post again later once this thing speeds up.

Forum is working great here at home. Must be your office network. Reboot.

I don't think anyone believed you weren't against drunk driving.

 

[Toxick]

While true.

It still violates the 4th Amendment, IMO.

Ordinarily I would agree.



However, driving is not a right. Driving is a privelige, and as such, there are prerequisites - one of which is that you're not stinking drunk.

 

[RadioPatrol]

You should not be drinking and driving. If your not there should be no reason you can not stop in the check point. It benefits your safety.

I am sure that is the same reason the SS gave German citizens, while stopping people going about their business .... this is for public safety




I have never been for randomly stopping citizens and conducting searches ..... Are Drunk Drivers wrong ... YES ....

 

[GWguy]

I don't know if it is the forum or the work computers but it is taking too long to load the pages now.

I'll just reinterate my position that I am aganist drinking and driving but I feel that you have a right to travel on the road ways without getting stopped with no PC.

To get the drunks off the road I think that the penalties should be very tough and there is noway there could ever be a repeat DUI driver.

I'll post again later once this thing speeds up.

Ok, so assume the penalties are stiffened. How are you going to find the drunk drivers to apply the penalties?? Wait until they plow into someone and then say "OH.. he was drunk, let's arrest him.." ? They don't always show themselves by erratic lane changes. I have no problem with a quick checkpoint stop to weed out these drivers. I do not feel it invades my rights. In fact, I believe it's protecting my rights to be able to drive without fear of some drunk jerk behind me.

 

[RadioPatrol]

I went through one once on 4 in Calvert late at night and the officer was very nosey. Asking where i was coming from and what i was doing there, I was with my wife and I told him Annapolis, he asked what we were doing and I told him eating, he said where i said, "melting pot do you want to know what I had for desert?"

I guess he was just trying to smell my breath and see if i was impaired?

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