DWI Checkpoints

[PsyOps]

LOL, ok. I see you are done with the analogies to try to prove your point and have resorted to basically saying your take is down right wrong.

I'm not willing to say you are wrong. I believe you are overreacting. I don't see setting up checkpoints, to catch drunk drivers, as a means to establish a Soviet-type police state. If a checkpoint results in catching one drunk driver that probably resulted in saving an innocent life (which could be your or my child) I would say it's worth it.

 

[PsyOps]

"Have you been Drinking, do you have any Drugs or Weapons in the Car, Will you consent to a search what are you trying to hide by not consenting to a search" - been there had that happen

"well did you pull me over because my tag light is out, or because you want to search my car and plant drugs inside or on my person" - see case in? where the cops own Dash Cam caught him planting drugs ......

Are you saying the cops planted drugs in your car?

 

[RadioPatrol]

Are you saying the cops planted drugs in your car?

Nope I was referring to the case down south? ..... there was a Forum thread about it ....... the video is on you tube .... where the nice police officer pulled the guy over for violating a restraining order, you see the cop looking @ the dash cam as he pulls something out of his shirt pocket sliding his had down, suddenly claiming to have found weed on the Perp


naw I got out of a case of being pulled over, having Dogs trash my 78 VW Camper .... while they searched for drugs w/Dogs .... having the Cops find a Loaded .44 Colt Navy ... and no knowing what to do with it - after I lied and said there were no weapons in the car ..... all after being "Suspicious" pulling in to one motel driveway then back out in into the other driveway looking for the managers office to get a room for the night ....... how was I to know it was the Druggie hangout for Rt One - Alexandria Va ..... I guess the $ 20 buck for the night should have been a clue .....

In the end the Cops let me go, with my loaded gun and I went an parked in an Old Town Neighborhood and spent the night with my GF their ....




The Police Officer really did not know what to do with the Colt Navy .....

 

[AK-74me]

Here are some points I left out of my last post.

1) Checkpoints do not occur on the planes, they occur in the airport. Who owns our airports? The security at the checkpoints are not hired and paid by the airlines, they are hired and paid by the fed.

2) Airport (not airplane) security is mandated by the FAA and Homeland Defense not the airlines.

If you own a plane and go to St. Mary's airport to fly it, do you have to go through a security checkpoint? If you do let me know because I do not know if you do or not!!!

Do you think that the security is there because of the airport itself or the fact you are getting on an airplane that is.

1. Privately own.
2. Full of other citizens.

It is different from getting in your own car and driving on a public road that is funded by tax money that your government takes from you. The constitution applies there. Some of these other places you are giving examples of, the constitution does not.

 

[Lexib_]

Oh but MSP promised they would never pull you over "JUST" for not wearing your seat belt ..........


what really frosts me is the MSP officers out with Night Vision Equipment looking for non compliance ........ they make a big deal out of it because Uncle Sugar gives them extra money for enforcement during, what ???? Ma y is it

Night vision equiptment... that's stretching a little don't you think?

 

[AK-74me]

Night vision equiptment... that's stretching a little don't you think?

HUH?

You don't remember this???

Md. Governor pulls plug on night vision goggles

Ehrlich Decries Seat Belt Patrol

 

[DuffMan]

Somebody in that thread made a good analogy, "That would be like getting pulled over for lighting a cig. on the premise it could be weed"

That actually happend to one of my friends! He was driving down the road smoking a cigar and a car passing by him called the cops saying that a person was smoking weed heading down rt. 2 & 4. He was pulled over 10 mins. later and the cops were grilling him for about 15 mins. Needless to say he was not too happy.

 

[Go G-Men]

Ok, so assume the penalties are stiffened. How are you going to find the drunk drivers to apply the penalties?? Wait until they plow into someone and then say "OH.. he was drunk, let's arrest him.." ? They don't always show themselves by erratic lane changes. I have no problem with a quick checkpoint stop to weed out these drivers. I do not feel it invades my rights. In fact, I believe it's protecting my rights to be able to drive without fear of some drunk jerk behind me.

Check out todays Editorial on SOMD. It states that roving patrols and saturation patrols work better at catching drunk drivers.

 

[beamher]

By not taking the alternate path you are voluntarily accepting the checkpoint. Even so, if you do drive through the checkpoint you don’t have to roll down your window. The little brochure they pass out is to get you to roll down your window without them asking which is another voluntary action on your part.

Has anybody else heard or dealt with this before?

I heard/read that they are setting up check points on St. Patrick's Day. Can someone try this and report back?

 

[RadioPatrol]

Night vision equiptment... that's stretching a little don't you think?

I was shocked when I read about it ........... but no I am not



Thanks for the Link Ak

 

[PrchJrkr]

If someone locates a roadblock this weekend, please report here. I want to drive up to it, make a legal U-turn and drive away at the speed limit to see how many po-leese cars will follow me.

 

[PsyOps]

If you own a plane and go to St. Mary's airport to fly it, do you have to go through a security checkpoint? If you do let me know because I do not know if you do or not!!!

Do you think that the security is there because of the airport itself or the fact you are getting on an airplane that is.

1. Privately own.
2. Full of other citizens.

It is different from getting in your own car and driving on a public road that is funded by tax money that your government takes from you. The constitution applies there. Some of these other places you are giving examples of, the constitution does not.

Okay, let me rephrase my question: I suppose you have a problem with having to go through security checkpoints at PUBLIC airports, where the security are federal hires, and the searches occur in the public area of the airport (i.e. Dulles, BWI, Reagan National)?

 

[AK-74me]

Okay, let me rephrase my question: I suppose you have a problem with having to go through security checkpoints at PUBLIC airports, where the security are federal hires, and the searches occur in the public area of the airport (i.e. Dulles, BWI, Reagan National)?

Ok, I am done defending my poisition. Answer this though, if my posistion is so outrageous, how come 11 other states have ruled checkpoints unconstitutional?

 

[PsyOps]

Ok, I am done defending my poisition. Answer this though, if my posistion is so outrageous, how come 11 other states have ruled checkpoints unconstitutional?

I believe I asked a reasonable question and you refuse to answer. The way I see it, when it comes to our safety some things are not so cut and dry when it comes to applying the Constitution.

As you said back here:

Yeah, everything is so black and white.

Things seem to be pretty black and white for you when it comes the applying the Constitution.

 

[smcop]

While true.

It still violates the 4th Amendment, IMO.

I appreciate your opinion, however unless you are one of nine, your opinion doesn't really matter. The supreme court has spoken, so it is the law of the land. The 11 other states who don't have checkpoint sobriety don't necessarily agree with you, they just choose to out law these types of public safety operations.

 

[PulseStart]

The Law of ...

Land....Tell then how is abortion and "The Right to work" Illegal in some states?

 

[PulseStart]

I appreciate your opinion, however unless you are one of nine, your opinion doesn't really matter. The supreme court has spoken, so it is the law of the land. The 11 other states who don't have checkpoint sobriety don't necessarily agree with you, they just choose to out law these types of public safety operations.

I disagree, this is where voting for the President really counts.

 

[somdforever]

I fail to see...

how the police stopping you while you are in your vehicle, without any probable cause, is any different from them stopping you without probable cause, while you are walking down the street. Even the Supreme Court has ruled that an individual on the street does not have to abide by an officer's request to stop and answer any questions unless that officer has either probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have violated the law.

 

[Kain99]

You guys are to serious... I always have a blast at the checkpoints! The cops are always friendly and if ya give a lil you get two fold back!

 

[smcop]

Land....Tell then how is abortion and "The Right to work" Illegal in some states?

Illegal yes, but not unconstitutional!