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glhs837

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Bridgeport WV

I figured with all the geeks down here that we have a fairly good percentage of owners that they would have a charger along RT 4 in Calvert too.

So if you are in Calvert coming this way, you have the Teeter ones. Leaving it going north there's. Edgewater and Annapolis and the other way you have the DC and Baltimore ones. Remember, they can see all the cars and where they go.
 

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PeoplesElbow

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So if you are in Calvert coming this way, you have the Teeter ones. Leaving it going north there's. Edgewater and Annapolis and the other way you have the DC and Baltimore ones. Remember, they can see all the cars and where they go.
I think the WaWa in PF would be a good strategic location. PF is a crossroads of sort, Hospital there etc.

So I checked my normal route west, after HT the closest super charger without going out of my way is Hagerstown (2 locations total of 12 chargers), then Cumberland (two locations, total of 10 chargers). While that is plenty if planning out a route and all goes as expected I think this is the reason more people have range anxiety, they are use to stopping and filling up whenever they want to and not have to plan a trip around it. I can't imagine the folks that bought a non-Tesla and trying to take a long trip.

Chargers need to be closer together for more people to adopt. They need to get stores and restaurants near interstates to put in chargers.

Rest stops would be a good place to place chargers also.

I know some of the pushback is "you can't buy a car for every situation", I think this is wrong, that is why SUVs are so popular, its a compromise between a car and a van/truck to do some hauling and or towing.
 
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glhs837

Power with Control
I think the WaWa in PF would be a good strategic location. PF is a crossroads of sort, Hospital there etc.

So I checked my normal route west, after HT the closest super charger without going out of my way is Hagerstown (2 locations total of 12 chargers), then Cumberland (two locations, total of 10 chargers). While that is plenty if planning out a route and all goes as expected I think this is the reason more people have range anxiety, they are use to stopping and filling up whenever they want to and not have to plan a trip around it. I can't imagine the folks that bought a non-Tesla and trying to take a long trip.

Chargers need to be closer together for more people to adopt. They need to get stores and restaurants near interstates to put in chargers.

Rest stops would be a good place to place chargers also.

I know some of the pushback is "you can't buy a car for every situation", I think this is wrong, that is why SUVs are so popular, its a compromise between a car and a van/truck to do some hauling and or towing.
I agree, and over the next two years, as everyone comes on board with NACS, that will ease some I think. But yeah, non Teslas have it tough. I think the great majority of trips are A-B, but there are tools to help. That Tesla site also has a tool that lets you choose your vehicle and set up a trip. Let's you see where and how it would route you.

 

TPD

the poor dad
Down here, well, remember, the real point to these is to get you charged on your way places. So a peninsula not on the way to anywhere, do you need more? You see them in Waldorf and along 301.
I figured with all the geeks down here that we have a fairly good percentage of owners that they would have a charger along RT 4 in Calvert too.
This got me thinking when you said we are on a peninsula and no where to go. What about hotels if I'm visiting this area? Don't geeks visit their geek friends or go to geek places? So I just did a quick search of the Fairfield Inn at Gate 1 - I don't see anything on their website about car chargers. Wouldn't the Naval Air Museum be a good place for a charger? That's government money so I would assume there would be one there.
 

PeoplesElbow

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This got me thinking when you said we are on a peninsula and no where to go. What about hotels if I'm visiting this area? Don't geeks visit their geek friends or go to geek places? So I just did a quick search of the Fairfield Inn at Gate 1 - I don't see anything on their website about car chargers. Wouldn't the Naval Air Museum be a good place for a charger? That's government money so I would assume there would be one there.
The base will be putting in chargers from what I gather.

We have some plug in hybrids, no farther than they are driven plugging into a standard 115V outlet will charge it for a week, but nope they want to spend tons of money to put in chargers. Especially dumb because a plug in hybrid doesn't really even need to be charged.
 

PeoplesElbow

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I agree, and over the next two years, as everyone comes on board with NACS, that will ease some I think. But yeah, non Teslas have it tough. I think the great majority of trips are A-B, but there are tools to help. That Tesla site also has a tool that lets you choose your vehicle and set up a trip. Let's you see where and how it would route you.

I think a lot of people don't want to go out of their way to charge. Me I take the route that I do to avoid traffic of certain areas, going the computer recommended route I was stuck in traffic once for 4 hours without moving. The route I figured out using a free Atlas from State Farm takes the exact same amount of time every time, and also keeps me out of the hood.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
This got me thinking when you said we are on a peninsula and no where to go. What about hotels if I'm visiting this area? Don't geeks visit their geek friends or go to geek places? So I just did a quick search of the Fairfield Inn at Gate 1 - I don't see anything on their website about car chargers. Wouldn't the Naval Air Museum be a good place for a charger? That's government money so I would assume there would be one there.


They certainly do. As this map shows, there are third party charging stations. If you are in a Tesla, you most likely would do some shopping at Teeter or visit Starbucks or one of the other places there in the Teeter shopping center. 20-80 only takes 20 minutes

Other makes, depends. There are at least two charging stations on base, at the Exchange and at building 2187.

Goverment money? Well, Joe spent a lot, and its all tied in in state level approvals. LAst I heard about our area, they planned on the furniture's store on Great Mills road. And most likely silly level 2 chargers that wont get you squat in the amount of time you spend shopping.

Some hotels dedicate a 120 or 220 outlet, but don't call it a charging station. Most EVs come with adapters to use common plugs.

I think a lot of people don't want to go out of their way to charge. Me I take the route that I do to avoid traffic of certain areas, going the computer recommended route I was stuck in traffic once for 4 hours without moving. The route I figured out using a free Atlas from State Farm takes the exact same amount of time every time, and also keeps me out of the hood.

Everyone is different, and uses cases vary. Not many superchargers in the hood though. I think the incidence of crime at Superchargers is pretty low.
 

phreddyp

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When I was out west July,August and September the only chargers I saw being used were at Walmart. The hotels motels I stayed at 3&4 stars almost all had a charger but I never saw them being used. The only place I stayed that had more than one charger was in New Mexico they had four none being used and that hotel had a McDonald's that charged over 6 bucks for a double cheeseburger.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Everyone is different, and uses cases vary. Not many superchargers in the hood though. I think the incidence of crime at Superchargers is pretty low.
Not necessarily in the hood, just the route would take me through areas I consider the hood and wouldn't want to stop at.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Always thought Vietnam was sort of a middle ground for manufacturing with their quasi commu-capitalism. I think of it on the same level as China, but not as good as Taiwan or Singapore.

Heres what I get when I look for the to lithium battery makers in Vietnam.

  • Vision Group.
  • PINACO.
  • GS Battery Vietnam Co. Ltd.
  • Leoch Battery Corporation.
  • Heng Li (Vietnam) Battery Technology Co. Ltd.
Nobody here I've heard of.
 

GURPS

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Auto manufacturers who bought into the hype are looking at a catastrophic financial miscalculation, and typical car drivers have gone from being curious (at best) to being generally negative about purchasing EVs. I believe that the conservative media’s pushback against EVs has had a considerable impact.

In other words, 2023 was a very good year – a year in which we turned opinion against electric vehicles. The people who want a boutique, status-symbol EV can continue to buy Teslas. (But can we please kill off the taxpayer subsidies for Tesla?) For all the rest, let 2024 be the year when legacy automakers throw in the towel on the eco-communist EV experiment.

For today, let’s do our periodic update on the EV Follies…

“Ford cutting 2024 F-150 Lightning production plans by half, suppliers told; The news comes amid an industry wide pullback in EV investment due to slower-than-expected sales growth.” [Automotive News – 12/11/2023]

Ford Motor Co. is dialing back planned output of the electric F-150 Lightning pickup by half next year because of "changing market demand," a steep pullback of a high-profile nameplate the automaker spent most of this year working to build in larger numbers.

Although I’ve enjoyed writing about how emphatically consumers have rejected Ford’s flagship EV, in fairness I should point out that the Ford F150 Conflagration Lightning is a spectacularly awful vehicle. Aside from its tendency to burst into flames, it performs poorly at towing, hauling for distance, and operating in the cold – the basic functionalities that are expected of a pickup truck.

The buried lede in this story isn’t that Ford is cutting weekly production of its electric pickup from 3,200 units per week to 1,600 units per week, rather it’s that Ford’s executives still think there is a market that will absorb 1,600 of these abominations per week.

*****

An electric vehicle enthusiast at Motor Trend magazine learned just how awful the EV experience can be when he and his wife had to jump in their Ford F150 Lightning and race 600 miles for a family emergency. 600 miles is at best a 10-hour drive for me in my gasoline-powered car, including gas and restroom stops. This unfortunate couple could not reach their destination in one day.

“Our Last Ford F-150 Lightning EV Pickup Road Trip Was a Nightmare” [Motor Trend – 12/22/2023]

The author of this piece points out that although Ford touts a range of 320 miles for the Lightning, it had only twice exceeded 200 miles on a charge.

We were tired and angry. Angry at the situation. Angry at Electrify America for being so historically and uniquely awful at its one job. Angry at the Ford Nav system for sending us to a charging station that, given available data, it could have known was, at best, a huge gamble on a holiday weekend.
We spent 25 minutes charging back up to 64 percent and weighing our options. We could keep pushing at this glacial pace, arriving just before dawn. Or we could find a hotel along the route with a charger, grab a couple hours of sleep, and plan on arriving at sun-up.

It’s not just Ford that can’t sell its EVs. Half of Buick dealers would rather surrender their franchises than have to sell General Motors’ atrocious EV offerings.

“GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs” [Detroit Free Press – 12/20/2023]

GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences, think they can simply dictate what consumers should buy. GM dealers, who actually understand automobiles and what their customers want, know better.

General Motors said nearly half its Buick dealers took buyouts this year rather than invest in selling and servicing electric vehicles as the automaker's brands transition to all electric by 2030.
That means GM will end 2023 with about 1,000 Buick stores nationwide, down 47% from where it started the year.

*****

General Motors is rolling out an electric version of its popular Chevrolet Blazer sport utility. Well, it’s trying to, but not very successfully.

“2024 Chevy Blazer EV sales are already halted over software issues” [Elektrek – 12/26/2023]

Dozens of potential customers will have to keep waiting.

After opening order requests for the 2024 Blazer EV in early September, Chevy is halting sales less than four months later. Chevy confirmed it was temporarily pausing sales to fix the software quality.
 

phreddyp

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Auto manufacturers who bought into the hype are looking at a catastrophic financial miscalculation, and typical car drivers have gone from being curious (at best) to being generally negative about purchasing EVs. I believe that the conservative media’s pushback against EVs has had a considerable impact.

In other words, 2023 was a very good year – a year in which we turned opinion against electric vehicles. The people who want a boutique, status-symbol EV can continue to buy Teslas. (But can we please kill off the taxpayer subsidies for Tesla?) For all the rest, let 2024 be the year when legacy automakers throw in the towel on the eco-communist EV experiment.

For today, let’s do our periodic update on the EV Follies…

“Ford cutting 2024 F-150 Lightning production plans by half, suppliers told; The news comes amid an industry wide pullback in EV investment due to slower-than-expected sales growth.” [Automotive News – 12/11/2023]



Although I’ve enjoyed writing about how emphatically consumers have rejected Ford’s flagship EV, in fairness I should point out that the Ford F150 Conflagration Lightning is a spectacularly awful vehicle. Aside from its tendency to burst into flames, it performs poorly at towing, hauling for distance, and operating in the cold – the basic functionalities that are expected of a pickup truck.

The buried lede in this story isn’t that Ford is cutting weekly production of its electric pickup from 3,200 units per week to 1,600 units per week, rather it’s that Ford’s executives still think there is a market that will absorb 1,600 of these abominations per week.

*****

An electric vehicle enthusiast at Motor Trend magazine learned just how awful the EV experience can be when he and his wife had to jump in their Ford F150 Lightning and race 600 miles for a family emergency. 600 miles is at best a 10-hour drive for me in my gasoline-powered car, including gas and restroom stops. This unfortunate couple could not reach their destination in one day.

“Our Last Ford F-150 Lightning EV Pickup Road Trip Was a Nightmare” [Motor Trend – 12/22/2023]

The author of this piece points out that although Ford touts a range of 320 miles for the Lightning, it had only twice exceeded 200 miles on a charge.



It’s not just Ford that can’t sell its EVs. Half of Buick dealers would rather surrender their franchises than have to sell General Motors’ atrocious EV offerings.

“GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs” [Detroit Free Press – 12/20/2023]

GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences, think they can simply dictate what consumers should buy. GM dealers, who actually understand automobiles and what their customers want, know better.



*****

General Motors is rolling out an electric version of its popular Chevrolet Blazer sport utility. Well, it’s trying to, but not very successfully.

“2024 Chevy Blazer EV sales are already halted over software issues” [Elektrek – 12/26/2023]

Dozens of potential customers will have to keep waiting.
I certainly have my surprised face on! 😯
 

glhs837

Power with Control


Auto manufacturers who bought into the hype are looking at a catastrophic financial miscalculation, and typical car drivers have gone from being curious (at best) to being generally negative about purchasing EVs. I believe that the conservative media’s pushback against EVs has had a considerable impact.

In other words, 2023 was a very good year – a year in which we turned opinion against electric vehicles. The people who want a boutique, status-symbol EV can continue to buy Teslas. (But can we please kill off the taxpayer subsidies for Tesla?) For all the rest, let 2024 be the year when legacy automakers throw in the towel on the eco-communist EV experiment.

For today, let’s do our periodic update on the EV Follies…

“Ford cutting 2024 F-150 Lightning production plans by half, suppliers told; The news comes amid an industry wide pullback in EV investment due to slower-than-expected sales growth.” [Automotive News – 12/11/2023]



Although I’ve enjoyed writing about how emphatically consumers have rejected Ford’s flagship EV, in fairness I should point out that the Ford F150 Conflagration Lightning is a spectacularly awful vehicle. Aside from its tendency to burst into flames, it performs poorly at towing, hauling for distance, and operating in the cold – the basic functionalities that are expected of a pickup truck.

The buried lede in this story isn’t that Ford is cutting weekly production of its electric pickup from 3,200 units per week to 1,600 units per week, rather it’s that Ford’s executives still think there is a market that will absorb 1,600 of these abominations per week.

*****

An electric vehicle enthusiast at Motor Trend magazine learned just how awful the EV experience can be when he and his wife had to jump in their Ford F150 Lightning and race 600 miles for a family emergency. 600 miles is at best a 10-hour drive for me in my gasoline-powered car, including gas and restroom stops. This unfortunate couple could not reach their destination in one day.

“Our Last Ford F-150 Lightning EV Pickup Road Trip Was a Nightmare” [Motor Trend – 12/22/2023]

The author of this piece points out that although Ford touts a range of 320 miles for the Lightning, it had only twice exceeded 200 miles on a charge.



It’s not just Ford that can’t sell its EVs. Half of Buick dealers would rather surrender their franchises than have to sell General Motors’ atrocious EV offerings.

“GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs” [Detroit Free Press – 12/20/2023]

GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences, think they can simply dictate what consumers should buy. GM dealers, who actually understand automobiles and what their customers want, know better.



*****

General Motors is rolling out an electric version of its popular Chevrolet Blazer sport utility. Well, it’s trying to, but not very successfully.

“2024 Chevy Blazer EV sales are already halted over software issues” [Elektrek – 12/26/2023]

Dozens of potential customers will have to keep waiting.

Yep, but this isnt an EV problem, its a shitty and or overpriced EV problem. We keep pointing to the US OEMs, and I keep pointing out the same thing.

I strolled the Lexington Park Ford Lot yesterday. They had about seven MAch-Es there. Lowest sticker was around 50K for a base model. The faster/better equipped ones were 60K or better.

Heres what you can go buy from Tesla today within 100 miles of here. Note these prices are before the Federal benefit of $7500 bucks. Note a lot are "arriving soon", which usually means within a week or so.


Or if you more zoom and a bit less range. This thing is 50K with Enhanced Autopilot, not FSB Beta, and silly fast and great performance handling. Crushes the Mach-E or Blazer in every metric except button and knob count :)



So again, why would people buy a more expensive, less capable product thats restricted to a crappy charging network? They dont.
 
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