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Don't need to, EV's have at least 10 years before they will be worth owning and by then road taxes will be applied to them making them even more unaffordable!
Whatever form it takes... It's gonna be a fun meltdown when it happens.
Electric Vehicles Will Need New Taxation Or Governments Will Lose Billions
Governments could lose billions in fuel tax revenue from the shift to EVs. But this could be an opportunity for drivers to pay more fairly according to use.
www.forbes.com
Is A Pay-Per-Mile Tax On The Way?
We break down some of the misinformation that's been floating around surrounding a Biden administration pilot program for American drivers.
As Electric Vehicles Shrink Gas Tax Revenue, More States May Tax Mileage • Stateline
The increasing popularity of hybrid and electric vehicles is shrinking revenue from gas taxes, prompting more states to consider charging fees based on miles driven to help pay for roads and bridges. This year at least eight states — Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont...
www.pewtrusts.org
glhs837
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Yet millions find them worth owning today. And road taxes should be applied. Just not sure what the best way is.
Sucker born every minute!
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
Very interesting, but a bit long, video on battery swap in Norway. At the end he summarizes and makes a real valid point to this process; if you have a "battery subscription", you no longer own the battery, you don't care how you use or charge it, you don't worry about cost of replacement. It's like a propane bottle exchange. Let the propane dealer worry about the health of the bottle, let the battery swap business worry about the health of a battery pac. Not sure why they say that American isn't ripe for this, other than there is no standard as of now for the battery dimensions or mounting, so it's very model specific. Anyway, I think it's a great idea.
Meanwhile...back in the environment....
https://restofworld.org/2022/indonesia-china-ev-nickel/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
https://restofworld.org/2022/indonesia-china-ev-nickel/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Of course Norway has the highest per-capita ownership of EVs, so not surprised that innovative ideas relating to operations and maintenance are coming from there.
glhs837
Power with Control
Norways pretty small, but when you think about scaling for the US, how many packs do you need on the backside? Since you could never in a million years mandate pack standardization, it simply wont work here. The logisitcs of managing inventory for packs would be insane.
Well, its a Chinese company with 900 stations in China already, but I do get your point. Passed an older Model S this afternoon here, he didn't look concerned about driving one in Norway in the winter.
You missed the salient point. Norway has always always had unlimited "free" electricity from their hydro-power. . Amazing what a difference that makes, huh?Norways pretty small,
Not really"free" according to our friend over there. Sounds like the govt taxes the hell out of it.
i meant "free" as in unlimited natural resource. The Norwegian gummint makes sure that nothing is "free"" when it comes to taxes...with one glaring exception: EVs are not subjected to the monstrous import tax that ICE vehicles are.
glhs837
Power with Control
The point seemed to be about the innovation, but the battery swap innovation under discussion wasn't a Norse innovation.
Point being...the country with most per capita EV useage is gonna innovate ...and first.
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
Really doesn't matter who pioneered it or innovated it, they've actually implemented it, even if it is on a small scale. Good innovations have a way of propagating. And your argument about scalability only applies to today, with current technology, with current battery tech. Tomorrow it may be possible, and I like to think things are possible. I've made a career out of doing what others told me wasn't possible.
turning California.
glhs837
Power with Control
I mean the technology of batteries doesn't really matter for swapping, does it? You still need extra stock to keep in the charging locations not doing anything but waiting or someone to come get them. Think of the prices you pay for taking a rental car to the airport vs taking one back home away from the airport. Now, scale the reasons for that. Try and model and manage battery inventory flow for 10-15 million cars.
Now, as charging tech improves, and it will, the minuscule time savings with swap just are not worth the logistic nightmare, IMO. I really think Nios only real reason for championing swapping is to keep you in ecosystem and spending with them.
glhs837
Power with Control
Gotta say, I was quite impressed with the drivers during my slushy snowing 30 minute two lane road commute this mornings. Was slowed down below the 80km limit for only about three minutes before the slowbees pulled into a side lot and let everyone else crank it back up to 90 or so.
Tesla ordered to upgrade self-driving computer for free due to ‘false advertising’
Tesla has claimed that all its vehicles produced since 2016 have “all the needed hardware” to become self-driving with future software updates.
The automaker has yet to deliver on that promise, and the company actually had to upgrade the hardware in vehicles produced since 2016. Most notably, Tesla had to upgrade the onboard computer on which it runs its self-driving software. The new computer is known as Hardware 3.0 or the FSD computer.
To make good on its 2016 promise that vehicles produced going forward would have “all the needed hardware” to become self-driving, Tesla offered a free computer retrofit to owners who ordered the Full Self-Driving package.
The fact that Tesla was doing the retrofit for free squashed people’s concerns about needing to update hardware to access self-driving.