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Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Post spotted on FB...from a proud Tesla owner out in the frozen midwest: "Mileage way down in the bitter cool. Going station to station hoping get home.
😂
All bundled up inside. Afraid to run heater because drain power."


Nice. Imagine being stuck/stranded in one of the many highways closures that have occurred recently. And the battery runs out.
They need to get one of those Tesla Model P's. ( Perpetuala )

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Kyle

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PREMO Member
Is a Cold Climate a Deterrent to EV Ownership?

This time of year, most people have one thing on their minds: the weather. As freezing temperatures descend across the country and snow and ice become a hazard, EV drivers face another potential issue—how cold affects the battery and range of their electric cars.

Cold temperatures do affect electric vehicles and steal some of their range. The amount of range lost depends on many factors such as the car itself, its potential range in normal weather, and whether the heat is on. According to AAA’s “Cold Weather Can Cut Electric Car Range by Over 40%”, EVs often lose 12% of their range in cold weather, but the loss leaps to 41% with the heater on full blast.



Electric Vehicles in Winter


Cold weather reduces efficiency of all vehicle types, not just EVs. According to FuelEconomy.gov, conventional gasoline vehicles typically have a 20% reduction in fuel economy at 20° F. However, it is often more noticeable with an EV and is especially concerning for all-electric vehicle drivers who need to know they have enough range to reach their travel destinations.

Keeping the inside of the vehicle warm in winter is usually the biggest drain on EV range, especially when ambient temperatures plunge below 15° F. Lithium ion batteries used in EVs also do not perform as well in cold temperatures, which can lead to further range reductions.

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Getting through the winter in your EV begins with purchasing the right vehicle for your needs. Most new all-electric models offer more than 200 miles of official range, so even with winter reductions many EV drivers are rarely inconvenienced by these issues. On the other hand, older used EV models may offer less than 100 miles of range which can present significant challenges if drivers aren’t aware of winter reductions when purchasing.


 

phreddyp

Well-Known Member
Is a Cold Climate a Deterrent to EV Ownership?

This time of year, most people have one thing on their minds: the weather. As freezing temperatures descend across the country and snow and ice become a hazard, EV drivers face another potential issue—how cold affects the battery and range of their electric cars.

Cold temperatures do affect electric vehicles and steal some of their range. The amount of range lost depends on many factors such as the car itself, its potential range in normal weather, and whether the heat is on. According to AAA’s “Cold Weather Can Cut Electric Car Range by Over 40%”, EVs often lose 12% of their range in cold weather, but the loss leaps to 41% with the heater on full blast.



Electric Vehicles in Winter


Cold weather reduces efficiency of all vehicle types, not just EVs. According to FuelEconomy.gov, conventional gasoline vehicles typically have a 20% reduction in fuel economy at 20° F. However, it is often more noticeable with an EV and is especially concerning for all-electric vehicle drivers who need to know they have enough range to reach their travel destinations.

Keeping the inside of the vehicle warm in winter is usually the biggest drain on EV range, especially when ambient temperatures plunge below 15° F. Lithium ion batteries used in EVs also do not perform as well in cold temperatures, which can lead to further range reductions.

*Chart*

Getting through the winter in your EV begins with purchasing the right vehicle for your needs. Most new all-electric models offer more than 200 miles of official range, so even with winter reductions many EV drivers are rarely inconvenienced by these issues. On the other hand, older used EV models may offer less than 100 miles of range which can present significant challenges if drivers aren’t aware of winter reductions when purchasing.


FuelEconomy.gov says it all! LOL
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Post spotted on FB...from a proud Tesla owner out in the frozen midwest: "Mileage way down in the bitter cool. Going station to station hoping get home.
😂
All bundled up inside. Afraid to run heater because drain power."


Nice. Imagine being stuck/stranded in one of the many highways closures that have occurred recently. And the battery runs out.
Need more info. Could be just poor planning. I see most folks looking at 15-20% loss. And there have been people stuck and frozen to death. ICE isn't a magic bullet to save your life. In fact, being buried is better in EV since there no tailpipe to block.
 

spr1975wshs

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Post spotted on FB...from a proud Tesla owner out in the frozen midwest: "Mileage way down in the bitter cool. Going station to station hoping get home.
😂
All bundled up inside. Afraid to run heater because drain power."


Nice. Imagine being stuck/stranded in one of the many highways closures that have occurred recently. And the battery runs out.
Tis why, if I buy a newer vehicle, will be a hybrid.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
Just more reason I believe plug in hybrids are better than pure EV.

I have a regular hybrid SUV, 42 MPG most of the year, when it's bitter cold (below 20) about 30 mpg for short trips, longer improves to about 35. Keeping it in a garage improves the winter mpg greatly.

Having the plugin would be cool to have 40 miles of EV operation.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Saw a weird truck on my way home yesterday with Rivian written across the back.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Saw a weird truck on my way home yesterday with Rivian written across the back.

Theres at least one around. Might be a couple. I would love to see the Rivian shipping schedule. I suspect they worked very hard to get pretty even distribution along both coasts for maximum public visibility.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Theres at least one around. Might be a couple. I would love to see the Rivian shipping schedule. I suspect they worked very hard to get pretty even distribution along both coasts for maximum public visibility.
A woman parked near me at Giant a few days ago and I queried her on the Rivian. She says she loves it. I asked if she had trouble finding charge points, and she said she didn't use it for any long distance, only local, and charged at home overnight.

She also said they (assume a husband...) had a different version of the Rivian on order for a year, and it might be delivered next year. I haven't looked at the Rivian models, so not sure what is available.
 

phreddyp

Well-Known Member
Theres at least one around. Might be a couple. I would love to see the Rivian shipping schedule. I suspect they worked very hard to get pretty even distribution along both coasts for maximum public visibility.
They get all the "visibility" they need broken down on the side of the road for hours.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
A woman parked near me at Giant a few days ago and I queried her on the Rivian. She says she loves it. I asked if she had trouble finding charge points, and she said she didn't use it for any long distance, only local, and charged at home overnight.

She also said they (assume a husband...) had a different version of the Rivian on order for a year, and it might be delivered next year. I haven't looked at the Rivian models, so not sure what is available.

There's an SUV version, which has just started production. But scaling is giving them issues. Theres also something going on regarding the motor configurations. They made a change regarding quad vs dual motor AWD.
They get all the "visibility" they need broken down on the side of the road for hours.

You see a lot on the side of the road? Where at? I do drive a bit, in places where I see a lot of Teslas, yet the only ones I've seen on the side of the road appeared to have been pulled over for speeding.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

I think you're wrong here. As kinks get worked out and prices drop, people will buy in, but not to replace their ICE, but to supplement, for a 2nd or 3rd car, just to get away from buying gas. I fall into that category. The "all or nothing total ICE replacement" concept just isn't reality for many years yet.

Your prejudice is clouding reality. Most are getting 300 miles or better now. The one I have slated for a 2024 delivery can do 1000 miles on one charge with the 100kWh battery. I opted for the 42 kWh battery which is good for 400 miles. With built-in solar adding up to 40 miles a day and the optional solar panel kit, I may never have to plug in. And I rather experiment and find out than be a nay-sayer and miss the fun!

Ok. But when the battery needs replacing, which is cheaper? To replace the battery pack, or an engine in an ICE vehicle? And will an EV car go up to 300,000 miles before needing that battery/[engine] replacement getting the near same distance on a tank of gas/battery charge as when bought, as most well taken care of cars/trucks can? What is the comparable "total cost of ownership" including price, for the average EV vs an ICE vehicle over 5 years? 10 years?

I believe there are far more limitations, and greater expenses, to EV ownership than there is with ICE vehicles. Which in the long run, makes EV's more or less virtue vehicles and amusing oddities.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Ok. But when the battery needs replacing, which is cheaper?
Battery pacs are being designed to outlast the vehicle now and usually covered under warranty. Older 1st generation battery pacs are still in use, the number of people that had to replace an entire battery pac is very small. There will alway sbe the exceptions in both ICE and EV worlds that fall outside the norm and will pay hefty prices for repairs. Just a different color of paint.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
For your consideration ...



Ok. But when the battery needs replacing, which is cheaper? To replace the battery pack, or an engine in an ICE vehicle? And will an EV car go up to 300,000 miles before needing that battery/[engine] replacement getting the near same distance on a tank of gas/battery charge as when bought, as most well taken care of cars/trucks can? What is the comparable "total cost of ownership" including price, for the average EV vs an ICE vehicle over 5 years? 10 years?

I believe there are far more limitations, and greater expenses, to EV ownership than there is with ICE vehicles. Which in the long run, makes EV's more or less virtue vehicles and amusing oddities.

We dont really know number one yet, because packs produced at scale have only been relatively recently introduced. So costs of course will drop with scale production and recycling, which will drop costs for replacement packs.

Indications so far look good for at least 300k, with Tesla saying they think 500k is where they want to be. Not too many out there have hit these figure, but some places doing rideshare things like Tesloop have given good data.


TCO so far looks great even with a car thats purchase price is lower. Far lower maint cost
 
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