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glhs837

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Tesla ordered to upgrade self-driving computer for free due to ‘false advertising’



Tesla has claimed that all its vehicles produced since 2016 have “all the needed hardware” to become self-driving with future software updates.

The automaker has yet to deliver on that promise, and the company actually had to upgrade the hardware in vehicles produced since 2016. Most notably, Tesla had to upgrade the onboard computer on which it runs its self-driving software. The new computer is known as Hardware 3.0 or the FSD computer.

To make good on its 2016 promise that vehicles produced going forward would have “all the needed hardware” to become self-driving, Tesla offered a free computer retrofit to owners who ordered the Full Self-Driving package.

The fact that Tesla was doing the retrofit for free squashed people’s concerns about needing to update hardware to access self-driving.

So the key here is that folks who purchased FSD did get a free upgrade with no court order required. The problem was that the company saw no need to upgrade folks who didnt purchase it. The guy who sued said that he might use it on a monthly subscription basis, and so Tesla should pay for the upgrade.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

I believe ICE vs EV is a zero sum game. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Do EV's have utility? Sure, in some environments. But EV's are actually a net negative when it comes to cost, manufacturing, and the energy and time required to charge them.

If people want to get around in the most environmently friendly and cheap way, they should get one of those little box cars that get 40+mpg.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
This goes back to the question of "what happens if I run out of charge?" A real world test of 4 vehicles. Not surprisingly, there is an abundance of time between notification of "zero" battery and when it actually stops moving. Like 10 to 25 miles. Interestingly, the recovery vehicle uses an ICE generator, not a rechargeable battery pac. The reasoning is sound... you can service multiple sequential customers without having to go back to the shop and recharge.

 

PeoplesElbow

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Tesla ordered to upgrade self-driving computer for free due to ‘false advertising’



Tesla has claimed that all its vehicles produced since 2016 have “all the needed hardware” to become self-driving with future software updates.

The automaker has yet to deliver on that promise, and the company actually had to upgrade the hardware in vehicles produced since 2016. Most notably, Tesla had to upgrade the onboard computer on which it runs its self-driving software. The new computer is known as Hardware 3.0 or the FSD computer.

To make good on its 2016 promise that vehicles produced going forward would have “all the needed hardware” to become self-driving, Tesla offered a free computer retrofit to owners who ordered the Full Self-Driving package.

The fact that Tesla was doing the retrofit for free squashed people’s concerns about needing to update hardware to access self-driving.
Musk's Asperger's makes his mouth write checks that his accounting department doesn't want to cash. It is probably what makes him hyper focused though and has contributed to his success, so I can't bash him too much for it.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
This is a long (45 min) video on cold weather charging. This guy is full of good info, but drinks way too many red bulls and coffee... :lol: Never shuts up. Anyway, ElectrifyAmerica is in the process of deploying all brand new chargers, and a whole series of them do not work in the cold. They show as working and available, but will not charge. He also has some insight on how they determine "availability" of a charge station. If 50% of the chargers in a specific location are working, they are listed as 100% available, because you can move to another working charger. :eyebrow:

I've given the jist of the vid above if you don't want to spend the time watching, but I found it insightful. Advance to 38:00 for his summary.

And yes glhs, every Tesla charger they tried works flawlessly, and he says so.

 

glhs837

Power with Control
This is a long (45 min) video on cold weather charging. This guy is full of good info, but drinks way too many red bulls and coffee... :lol: Never shuts up. Anyway, ElectrifyAmerica is in the process of deploying all brand new chargers, and a whole series of them do not work in the cold. They show as working and available, but will not charge. He also has some insight on how they determine "availability" of a charge station. If 50% of the chargers in a specific location are working, they are listed as 100% available, because you can move to another working charger. :eyebrow:

I've given the jist of the vid above if you don't want to spend the time watching, but I found it insightful. Advance to 38:00 for his summary.

And yes glhs, every Tesla charger they tried works flawlessly, and he says so.



And this is why I don't recommend buying any other EV unless you never need to fast charge, or have one that can use the SC network. People fall for the "Umpty thousand charging stations!!!!! We have almost as many as the Big Guys!!!"

But they never ever break out which levels make up which percentage of those stations, nor how many charge points each station has. Nor availability, as noted in that report.
 

phreddyp

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And this is why I don't recommend buying any other EV unless you never need to fast charge, or have one that can use the SC network. People fall for the "Umpty thousand charging stations!!!!! We have almost as many as the Big Guys!!!"

But they never ever break out which levels make up which percentage of those stations, nor how many charge points each station has. Nor availability, as noted in that report.
Don't need to break any of them out, They are ALL junk, that's all you need to know.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
That's the only way they are going to get 3/4 of the population to buy one!

A quarter works just fine, and by the time those are done, the cars will be be even better and more people will be fine with them. Most of them through being exposed to facts and not memes.... :) "Look dear, the Jones have been driving their EVs with no problems for years, I rode with them to the store the other day and it was so quiet and smooth....... they don't ever visit gas stations unless they want a snack. Just plug in when they get home".
 

phreddyp

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A quarter works just fine, and by the time those are done, the cars will be be even better and more people will be fine with them. Most of them through being exposed to facts and not memes.... :) "Look dear, the Jones have been driving their EVs with no problems for years, I rode with them to the store the other day and it was so quiet and smooth....... they don't ever visit gas stations unless they want a snack. Just plug in when they get home".
I am certain that they work just fine for a 6 mile round trip!
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
That's the only way they are going to get 3/4 of the population to buy one!
I think you're wrong here. As kinks get worked out and prices drop, people will buy in, but not to replace their ICE, but to supplement, for a 2nd or 3rd car, just to get away from buying gas. I fall into that category. The "all or nothing total ICE replacement" concept just isn't reality for many years yet.
I am certain that they work just fine for a 6 mile round trip!
Your prejudice is clouding reality. Most are getting 300 miles or better now. The one I have slated for a 2024 delivery can do 1000 miles on one charge with the 100kWh battery. I opted for the 42 kWh battery which is good for 400 miles. With built-in solar adding up to 40 miles a day and the optional solar panel kit, I may never have to plug in. And I rather experiment and find out than be a nay-sayer and miss the fun!
 

phreddyp

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I think you're wrong here. As kinks get worked out and prices drop, people will buy in, but not to replace their ICE, but to supplement, for a 2nd or 3rd car, just to get away from buying gas. I fall into that category. The "all or nothing total ICE replacement" concept just isn't reality for many years yet.

Your prejudice is clouding reality. Most are getting 300 miles or better now. The one I have slated for a 2024 delivery can do 1000 miles on one charge with the 100kWh battery. I opted for the 42 kWh battery which is good for 400 miles. With built-in solar adding up to 40 miles a day and the optional solar panel kit, I may never have to plug in. And I rather experiment and find out than be a nay-sayer and miss the fun!
Don't have to be a naysayer my greenie neighbor has one , she loves not buying gas but hates the charging time and reduction in range of her EV. She has had it 3 years now and tells me her range has dropped at least 20%. If you bought one all I can say to you is good luck. From what I understand battery tech has not changed a whole lot in 3 years, so a 20% drop is range is a lot by anyone's standards.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Don't have to be a naysayer my greenie neighbor has one , she loves not buying gas but hates the charging time and reduction in range of her EV. She has had it 3 years now and tells me her range has dropped at least 20%. If you bought one all I can say to you is good luck. From what I understand battery tech has not changed a whole lot in 3 years, so a 20% drop is range is a lot by anyone's standards.

I think we've covered this before. What kind does she have?
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Don't have to be a naysayer my greenie neighbor has one , she loves not buying gas but hates the charging time and reduction in range of her EV. She has had it 3 years now and tells me her range has dropped at least 20%. If you bought one all I can say to you is good luck. From what I understand battery tech has not changed a whole lot in 3 years, so a 20% drop is range is a lot by anyone's standards.
So does your ICE, but you just aren't looking.
Cold weather effects can vary by vehicle model. However, expect conventional gasoline vehicles to suffer a 10% to 20% fuel economy loss in city driving and a 15% to 33% loss on short trips.
And as the car ages, fuel economy drops as well.
 

phreddyp

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So does your ICE, but you just aren't looking.

And as the car ages, fuel economy drops as well.
Not anywhere close to 20% and that's after only 3 years, if yours has you have neglected proper maintenance and as we ALL know batteries perform MUCH, MUCH better in a cold environment!
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
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Post spotted on FB...from a proud Tesla owner out in the frozen midwest: "Mileage way down in the bitter cool. Going station to station hoping get home.
😂
All bundled up inside. Afraid to run heater because drain power."


Nice. Imagine being stuck/stranded in one of the many highways closures that have occurred recently. And the battery runs out.
 
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