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Sneakers
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I'm sure these same sentiments were present when gas autos took over from horses. Gas was scarce and was carted around by a horse-pulled tank to wherever it was needed, no gas stations. All tech has growing pains.
Difference being they didn't restrict horse feed and require everyone to use ICE's when gas wasn't readily available.
Grow the tech, then make the switch. In software development terms, all we have right now is vaporware - selling new software that doesn't exist yet.
glhs837
Power with Control
The support systems grow as the demand increases, as with any tech shift. And I agree the shift shouldnt be forced.
glhs837
Power with Control
Be fair, though, that's not EVs, that's stupid grid choices.I'm going to enjoy hearing about the increased brown-outs/black-outs in Commiefornia each year as the requirement for electrics rises.
Consumer Reports, which said it surveyed around 8,000 Americans, found that 61 percent said they wouldn’t seek to own an electric vehicle because of charging logistics while 55 percent cited the number of miles a vehicle can go per charge. Another 52 percent said that the costs of buying and maintaining an electric vehicle are cost-prohibitive.
Another 46 percent of the respondents stated they have not heard of any financial incentives available for owners of electric vehicles.
“We found that 14 percent of American drivers say they would ‘definitely’ buy or lease an electric-only vehicle if they were to buy a vehicle today,” said Consumer Reports. “That’s up markedly from the 4 percent who said the same in a 2020 nationally representative survey from CR of 3,392 licensed U.S. drivers.”
According to recent figures from Kelly Blue Book, the average price of a new electric vehicle hovered at roughly $56,000. In contrast, the average price of a new compact was about $25,000 at about the same time. The average price of a new, non-electric SUV was $34,000, while the electric version was nearly $45,000.
Meanwhile, a recent report from data analysis and advisory firm J.D. Power, however, found that electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids may have more problems than internal combustion engines.
While internal combustion engine vehicles averaged 175 problems per 100 vehicles, this jumped to 239 among plug-in hybrids and 240 among electric vehicles, a June 28 press release of the J.D. Power 2022 U.S. Initial Quality Study stated. Lower scores represented higher-quality vehicles.
Another 46 percent of the respondents stated they have not heard of any financial incentives available for owners of electric vehicles.
“We found that 14 percent of American drivers say they would ‘definitely’ buy or lease an electric-only vehicle if they were to buy a vehicle today,” said Consumer Reports. “That’s up markedly from the 4 percent who said the same in a 2020 nationally representative survey from CR of 3,392 licensed U.S. drivers.”
According to recent figures from Kelly Blue Book, the average price of a new electric vehicle hovered at roughly $56,000. In contrast, the average price of a new compact was about $25,000 at about the same time. The average price of a new, non-electric SUV was $34,000, while the electric version was nearly $45,000.
Meanwhile, a recent report from data analysis and advisory firm J.D. Power, however, found that electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids may have more problems than internal combustion engines.
While internal combustion engine vehicles averaged 175 problems per 100 vehicles, this jumped to 239 among plug-in hybrids and 240 among electric vehicles, a June 28 press release of the J.D. Power 2022 U.S. Initial Quality Study stated. Lower scores represented higher-quality vehicles.
Sneakers
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Couple of items in the World of Telsa:
Aptera has been working closely with Tesla, exchange of tech and ideas. Aptera has petitioned Congress to make the Tesla charger plug the US standard, superseding the CS1 and J1772 charging systems.
New rumor, and that's all it is, is that Musk is considering Aptera as his next acquisition.
Aptera has been working closely with Tesla, exchange of tech and ideas. Aptera has petitioned Congress to make the Tesla charger plug the US standard, superseding the CS1 and J1772 charging systems.
New rumor, and that's all it is, is that Musk is considering Aptera as his next acquisition.
glhs837
Power with Control
"Problems" as they note in the report, are quite often not defects, but owners issues with tech/features they don't understand. And it's good that we are not at 100% wanting to change. This should happen slowly.
TPD
the poor dad
It’s coming to Texas...I'm going to enjoy hearing about the increased brown-outs/black-outs in Commiefornia each year as the requirement for electrics rises.
Tesla asks Texans not to charge their car to avoid overloading national grid
Texas’ grid manager says there is a risk of it losing power reserves ‘with no market solution available’
itsbob
I bowl overhand
To add.. we have a farmer that plants and harvests our front yard. That allows us to be classified as Agricultural.. being AG we can produce up to 200% of our electrical needs using Solar, residential you cannot exceed 100%.. we'll be at 125% when done, and using enphase microinverters I can add panels any time we want without worrying about upgrading the converter
Sneakers
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Further info, and you can sign the petition of you are so inclined.
Sign the Petition
Congress: Tesla Superchargers and Plugs should be the U.S. standard for EVs
www.change.org
glhs837
Power with Control
That's a crappy headline, since part of Texas's problem with its grid is the fact that they are isolated from the national grid. And just like CA< dont blame Tesla for issues resulting from shitty grid management.It’s coming to Texas...
Tesla asks Texans not to charge their car to avoid overloading national grid
Texas’ grid manager says there is a risk of it losing power reserves ‘with no market solution available’www.yahoo.com
Florida family drives into electric car problem: a replacement battery costs more than vehicle itself
The Florida family found out a replacement for the electric car's battery would cost thousands
A family in Florida drove into a major problem after buying a used electric vehicle: the replacement battery for their dead car wound up costing more than the used car was purchased for.
Avery Siwinski is a 17-year-old who's parents spent $11,000 on a used Ford Focus Electric car, which is a 2014 model and had about 60,000 miles when it was bought, according to KVUE.
The teenager had the car for six months before it began giving her issues and the dashboard was flashing symbols.
"It was fine at first," Siwinski said. "I loved it so much. It was small and quiet and cute. And all the sudden it stopped working."
The problem? A battery for the electric car costs $14,000, according to the news outlet.
"Then we found out the batteries aren't even available," Siwinski said. "So it didn't matter. They could cost twice as much and we still couldn't get it."
www.foxbusiness.com
The Florida family found out a replacement for the electric car's battery would cost thousands
A family in Florida drove into a major problem after buying a used electric vehicle: the replacement battery for their dead car wound up costing more than the used car was purchased for.
Avery Siwinski is a 17-year-old who's parents spent $11,000 on a used Ford Focus Electric car, which is a 2014 model and had about 60,000 miles when it was bought, according to KVUE.
The teenager had the car for six months before it began giving her issues and the dashboard was flashing symbols.
"It was fine at first," Siwinski said. "I loved it so much. It was small and quiet and cute. And all the sudden it stopped working."
The problem? A battery for the electric car costs $14,000, according to the news outlet.
"Then we found out the batteries aren't even available," Siwinski said. "So it didn't matter. They could cost twice as much and we still couldn't get it."
Florida family drives into electric car problem: a replacement battery costs more than vehicle itself
A Florida family ran into a major problem after buying an electric vehicle, the replacement battery costs more than they bought the car for.
Clem72
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If it was a 2014 model it might still be within the 8 years required for the battery to be warrantied by fed. law (8 years/100k miles).Florida family drives into electric car problem: a replacement battery costs more than vehicle itself
The Florida family found out a replacement for the electric car's battery would cost thousands
A family in Florida drove into a major problem after buying a used electric vehicle: the replacement battery for their dead car wound up costing more than the used car was purchased for.
Avery Siwinski is a 17-year-old who's parents spent $11,000 on a used Ford Focus Electric car, which is a 2014 model and had about 60,000 miles when it was bought, according to KVUE.
The teenager had the car for six months before it began giving her issues and the dashboard was flashing symbols.
"It was fine at first," Siwinski said. "I loved it so much. It was small and quiet and cute. And all the sudden it stopped working."
The problem? A battery for the electric car costs $14,000, according to the news outlet.
"Then we found out the batteries aren't even available," Siwinski said. "So it didn't matter. They could cost twice as much and we still couldn't get it."
Florida family drives into electric car problem: a replacement battery costs more than vehicle itself
A Florida family ran into a major problem after buying an electric vehicle, the replacement battery costs more than they bought the car for.
If it's not under warranty, then why not repair instead of replace? Tons of shops to EV battery repair or even full refurbishment. 10 minutes of googling indicates repair and rebalancing typically costs between $500 and $2000 depending on how many cells or modules are bad. Refurbishing is reusing the electronics but replacing all the cells and it looks to be about $1500 per 10kwh, so the focus electric (33kwh) would probably be a bit over $5k to fully refurbish.
And that's with battery repair places still fairly rare, as the industry progresses they may eventually become as common as transmission rebuild or engine boring shops, which I am sure would drive the price down further.
Sneakers
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Found this, very good search tool for finding chargers. You can use filters to get only Teslas or free or J1772, bunch of other filters. There are more out there than you might realize. Nearly every car dealer has one now, but a lot of the reviews say the dealers park ICE vehicles in front of the charger...
PlugShare - EV Charging Station Map - Find a place to charge your car!
PlugShare - EV Charging Station Map - Find a place to charge your car!