I suppose if they tend to lease or constantly trade, long term reliability can be sacrificed.
I tend to buy something and keep until it dies, or I've passed it to a family member and bought another new one for me.
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I tend to buy something and keep until it dies, or I've passed it to a family member and bought another new one for me.
glhs837
Power with Control
At 5% of sales and almost doubling over last year, its not a toy market. Not anymore. Tesla almost outsold Subaru last quarter.
EV Sales Hit New Record in Q2 2022 - Cox Automotive Inc.
This much we know: New-vehicle sales in the second quarter struggled, up only modestly from the first quarter and down more than 20% from Q2 2021. The reasons are well documented – tight inventory, high prices, consumer sentiment dropping. There were a few positive notes in the Q2 sales numbers...
www.coxautoinc.com
No reason one you buy this year, or bought in the last three years to not last considerably longer.
How do 300K-mile Teslas hold up? This EV fleet operator has some interesting data
The highest-mileage Teslas on the planet aren't consumer cars, but rather fleet vehicles owned by companies like Tesloop.
And those were slightly older models, they keep getting better. The Model 3 and Y have bodies designed for 1,000,000 miles, and the batteries are expected to last 300k-500K. Of course, we'll need some years to pass to see how that will play out, but there's a 2014 Model S that's over on a million miles already. Long term enough?
Tesla Model S Early Adopter Has Now Traveled Over 1 Million Miles
We figured this was inevitable, as this Tesla owner has been keeping the world apprised of his Model S mileage over the years. What an epic achievement.
insideevs.com
glhs837
Power with Control
You call it "facts", I call it Dogma. Potato/Tamato.Nope, not blind to what they do wrong. Sorry if I bring facts to the discussion
Clem72
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Though that one doesn't prove what you think it does. One battery swap and 2 motor replacements on that vehicle.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
A diesel hybrid without DPF would be the bom-Diggity.. Imagine getting 100 MPG with a diesel auto, or truck. No need for DPF if you are getting 100 MPG.
glhs837
Power with Control
You call it "facts", I call it Dogma. Potato/Tamato.
Facts are verifiable things, dogma isn't. : ) Just because they conflict with ideas you have that are not fact based doesn't make the untrue.
In a million miles? How many ICE vehicles make that on the original engine and trans?
What have I stated that is not factual?
A lot of commercial trucks but as for public, most people dont' drive enough to make it that far.
Yep, ain't got the miles but I've got the years. My daily driver is 44 years old (and I still can't get an extended warranty for it no matter how many times they call).
I've had many that I put over the 250k mark, and likely have over a million miles but I also spent a good number of years driving a truck, and even when I changed careers to line work, I was still driving a truck for part of my days then.
A friend of mine still does over the road and I'm certain the mileage he clocked in was way higher.
Ford Plans To Cut 8,000 Jobs So It Can Fund EV Push: Report
The cuts, though still pending, are expected to be implemented in the coming weeks and will affect salaried workers, as well as the automaker’s new Ford Blue unit that was created in March to oversee internal combustion engine operations, Bloomberg reported.
“To deliver our Ford+ transformation and lead this exciting and disruptive new era of electric and connected vehicles, we remain focused on reshaping our work and modernizing our organization across all automotive business units and across the company,” Ford spokesman T.R. Reid said, adding, “As part of this, we have laid out clear targets to lower our cost structure to ensure we are lean and fully competitive with the best in the industry.”
While Ford did not comment on the reported upcoming layoffs, the company has a meeting scheduled for Thursday where it’s expected to update shareholders on the future of its EV production. The company wants to reach 600,000 EVs produced by next year and two million EVs by 2026.
glhs837
Power with Control
The issue is that you take one true fact that applies to one narrow situation, then make the case that it applies to every EV.
Post 8, someone took the absolute worst case charging situation and acts as if it applies to all EVs.
Post 97, equating one compliance cars issues with modern mass produced EVs.
Post 104, 10 year lifespan
/////while those things are factual in that one instance, they do not apply globally to all EVs.
glhs837
Power with Control
This is why I don't recommend buying anything else if you like to travel. Once you remove the other networks level 2 chargers, the contrast is clear. The main competition is at 800 locations, with fewer plugs per station, and hoping to be where Tesla is in a year or two. But the rate of installs is increasing for Tesla, with prefabbed chargers already in concrete bases ready to drop in and hook up.
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tesl...at-could-be-a-tipping-point-for-electric-cars
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tesl...at-could-be-a-tipping-point-for-electric-cars
I’m stating that all these very simple, easily anticipated, problems seem to crop up.
Other than the power source, car manufacturing has been going on for over 100 years. These problems should not be cropping up at all. It doesn’t matter what the product is, parts fail and parts need to be replaced.
As for the power source… This hard ass push to everything electric is a boondoggle in itself. The grid cannot support it.
Unless they decide they’re going to go nuclear, and use existing gas, coal and other resources…It won’t support it today, tomorrow or 10 years from now. It takes considerable time to build an electric supply. It’s not flipping a switch.
As I said many times before, these things are great if you live in the city or don’t travel much.
But if you ever wanna actually travel anywhere theyre a perpetual cluster **** on the road. Who the **** would want to stop every three or four hours to ****ing sit for 45 minutes to an hour. You’ll never get anywhere.
As I said before they are a toy.
glhs837
Power with Control
My point is that for modern EVs, a lot of these things are not problems. And in case you haven't noticed, regular cars have plenty of problems also. Just the nature of mass producing millions of complex devices. Fires, engine and transmission failures on brand new cars are not uncommon, nor recalls to fix them.
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Ford recalls 100,000 U.S. vehicles for fire risks, expands earlier recall
Ford Motor Co said on Friday it is issuing a new recall for 100,000 U.S. hybrid vehicles over fire risks, and expanding an earlier recall after a series of reported fires.
Stellantis issues two recalls for combined 256,000 U.S. vehicles
Stellantis is recalling an estimated 256,404 Chrysler vehicles in the U.S. following a pair of safety defects being discovered in certain models that could affect fuel supply or rearview image display.
www.autonews.com
Most people do stop every three to four hours, although if you have a 300 mile range...
Say I'm heading to Columbia SC to visit family.
Google nav says 438 miles, and 7 hours and 30 minutes. Some people might drive that straight through without a pee and snack break, but not many, I think.
Tesla nav says I'll take three charging break of 20, 15, and 30 minutes at Petersburg VA, Smithfield NC, and Lumberton NC. thats an hour and five minutes over eight hours, which sorts of stops a lot of people might take anyway. Watch a little bit of Neflix, maybe ply a game, 30 minutes passes pretty quickly. Face it people road trip in these things all the time, its really not as arduous as people who have not make it out to be.
Go Anywhere | Tesla
Stay charged anywhere you go, with access to our global charging networks. Explore a route and we’ll find the best locations to keep you charged along the way and upon arrival.
www.tesla.com
I’ve never heard of anyone purchasing a gasoline powered car that couldn’t get a major part for it eight years after it was built. Except maybe the Yugo.
That being said am I to assume that we should expect electric cars support structure to be equivalent to the Yugo?