Electric Car News

[Kinnakeet]

Keep a broader mindset. Looking at worst case scenarios can tilt things. I've not seen a report covering more than places like CA and Canada. Also keep in mind, the Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) includes a lot of savings on maintenance items. They are significantly cheaper to maintain. And they are indeed greener when you do the math properly. The studies saying other wise forget things like oil usage, and the emissions counts for refining and shipping the fuel. Yes, EVs that charge using electricity generated by say natural gas face the same cost, but simple efficiencies of scale tell us that getting natural gas to a powerplant costs less than refining an equivalent amount of oil into gasoline and then using trucks to distribute that gasloine to various regional centers before using more trucks to deliver that gasoline to gas stations.

You need to look at it as a fuel life cycle, not just ignoring the stuff done to get that fuel to the vehicle. As far as batteries, again, its life cycle costs. These batteries can and will see the same sort of 100% recycling lead batteries do. In addition to finding second lives as storage devices. Which doesnt happen with gas engines, nobody takes the engine out of a scrapped car and uses it as a generator engine, do they?

lol who cares about green BS give me gas and diesel fuel

 

[glhs837]

lol who cares about green BS give me gas and diesel fuel

Not sure what part of my post you consider "green BS". And you can have them. I have not advocated taking those away. Just let market forces drive the change. Folks can change when they are ready, and EVS that fit their budget and use case appear. For me, a 300-350 mile range pickup will work just fine. I don't tow long and heavy very often. My average daily mileage is under 50 miles.

 

[kwillia]

Why the hell would you buy a 2014 anything electric? Sorry, but any EV that old is asking for it.

A car less than 20 years old and with just 60k miles on it should now be considered disposable. Interesting.

 

[Kyle]

A car less than 20 years old and with just 60k miles on it should now be considered disposable. Interesting.

Amazing isnt' it?

Greenies think that it is environmentally beneficial with a <10 year lifespan.

I've never retired or sold a vehicle I had with less than 250k miles on it and most of them were over 15 years if not older.

 

[RoseRed]

Amazing isnt' it?

Greenies think that it is environmentally beneficial with a <10 year lifespan.

I've never retired or sold a vehicle I had with less than 250k miles on it and most of them were over 15 years if not older.

What about all the classic cars that need gasoline.

 

[glhs837]

A car less than 20 years old and with just 60k miles on it should now be considered disposable. Interesting.

Well, a 2014 Tesla, no. But in 2014 everybody else's battery tech was rudimentary at best. Like the Nissan Leaf or E-Golf.

Those were the first years for a new tech. You buy first gen of a new thing, you take chances. Of course, I think buying anyones EV other than Tesla is taking a gamble I'm jut not sure how the pouch cells are going to hold up over time. The Bolts seem to be doing well so far though.

Highest Mileage Bolt EV?

I know there are plenty of Bolts with over 100k miles, but I'm curious how much further beyond that someone has gone. I know Eric Way (News Coulomb YouTube Channel) has exceeded 120k, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn of significantly higher mileage Bolts, as we approach 4 years since its...

www.mychevybolt.com

But heres why I wouldnt buy any other kind. Constant revision are optimization matter a lot.

Legendary Tesla Model S high-mileage road warrior is going for its 1 millionth mile

When Germany-based Hansjörg Gemmingen purchased his Tesla Model S P85 in 2014, the world was a far different place. Back then, the idea of an all-electric car hitting 1 million kilometers, or better yet, 1 million miles, is something widely considered farfetched. This farfetched scenario is fast...

www.teslarati.com

 

[glhs837]

Amazing isnt' it?

Greenies think that it is environmentally beneficial with a <10 year lifespan.

I've never retired or sold a vehicle I had with less than 250k miles on it and most of them were over 15 years if not older.

No, they dont, EVs, properly designed, will run an ICE vehicle into the ground and cost a helluva lot less doing it. Not sure if the link works. Sorted nationally with highest mileage first, after sponsored hits of course.

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[Sneakers]

Well, a 2014 Tesla, no. But in 2014 everybody else's battery tech was rudimentary at best. Like the Nissan Leaf or E-Golf.

Those were the first years for a new tech. You buy first gen of a new thing, you take chances. Of course, I think buying anyones EV other than Tesla is taking a gamble I'm jut not sure how the pouch cells are going to hold up over time. The Bolts seem to be doing well so far though.

Highest Mileage Bolt EV?

I know there are plenty of Bolts with over 100k miles, but I'm curious how much further beyond that someone has gone. I know Eric Way (News Coulomb YouTube Channel) has exceeded 120k, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn of significantly higher mileage Bolts, as we approach 4 years since its...

www.mychevybolt.com

But heres why I wouldnt buy any other kind. Constant revision are optimization matter a lot.

Legendary Tesla Model S high-mileage road warrior is going for its 1 millionth mile

When Germany-based Hansjörg Gemmingen purchased his Tesla Model S P85 in 2014, the world was a far different place. Back then, the idea of an all-electric car hitting 1 million kilometers, or better yet, 1 million miles, is something widely considered farfetched. This farfetched scenario is fast...

www.teslarati.com

A lot of your arguments are geared towards those who are looking for and need a full ICE replacement, a one-and-done. People like me... and there are many, are looking at EVs as an experiment, and in my case, a toy, not a replacement. The Aptera I have a deposit on isn't even off the drawing board yet, and I'm fully aware of the 1st model year syndrome and willing to deal with it. I fully expect that it won't last as long as a Telsa, but I'll already be looking forward to the next toy.

 

[Kyle]

No, they dont, EVs, properly designed, will run an ICE vehicle into the ground and cost a helluva lot less doing it. Not sure if the link works. Sorted nationally with highest mileage first, after sponsored hits of course.

If a 2014 is already languishing in obsolescence, that is not "running an ICE into the ground".

If the used market on electrics is going to cause this much consternation with consumers, they're dealing themselves a death blow and will remain a niche market to elites looking for brownie points.

Tesla is already doing itself in with regards to their resistance to make parts, materials and technical specifications available for after market repair.

 

[glhs837]

If a 2014 is already languishing in obsolescence, that is not "running an ICE into the ground".

If the used market on electrics is going to cause this much consternation with consumers, they're dealing themselves a death blow and will remain a niche market to elites looking for brownie points.

Tesla is already doing itself in with regards to their resistance to make parts, materials and technical specifications available for after market repair.

So everything else I said meant nothing? I show you many 2014 Teslas running fine with close to or over 150K miles but you go back to this one Ford from when legacy makers were not even trying?

I do agree that Tesla needs to do better with right to repair, and even make a pathway for salvaged cars to get back onto the Supercharger network.

 

[Clem72]

A lot of your arguments are geared towards those who are looking for and need a full ICE replacement, a one-and-done. People like me... and there are many, are looking at EVs as an experiment, and in my case, a toy, not a replacement. The Aptera I have a deposit on isn't even off the drawing board yet, and I'm fully aware of the 1st model year syndrome and willing to deal with it. I fully expect that it won't last as long as a Telsa, but I'll already be looking forward to the next toy.

Don't try to reason with these guys. They will tell you an EV needs to do everything they need, meanwhile they own 3-4 ICE vehicles. Why? Because no one vehicle does everything they want or need or maybe just for fun. But far be it that someone buy an EV for fun.

 

[Clem72]

If a 2014 is already languishing in obsolescence, that is not "running an ICE into the ground".

This was one vehicle. One. So noteworthy they wrote a damn article about it. Are you trying to tell me no one ever bought a used ICE vehicle that turned out to be a lemon and need extensive work right afterwards? Hell, my sons ex bought a brand new volvo that shet the bed at 400 miles and she had to fight the dealer for a year to get the engine replaced.

 

[Kyle]

So everything else I said meant nothing? I show you many 2014 Teslas running fine with close to or over 150K miles but you go back to this one Ford from when legacy makers were not even trying?

I do agree that Tesla needs to do better with right to repair, and even make a pathway for salvaged cars to get back onto the Supercharger network.

Tesla isn't the only car in the event. If ALL of them dont' support a long term solution gonna get ugly.

 

[Sneakers]

Don't try to reason with these guys.

I wasn't really, just offering a different mindset for wanting an EV.

 

[Kyle]

This was one vehicle. One. So noteworthy they wrote a damn article about it. Are you trying to tell me no one ever bought a used ICE vehicle that turned out to be a lemon and need extensive work right afterwards? Hell, my sons ex bought a brand new volvo that shet the bed at 400 miles and she had to fight the dealer for a year to get the engine replaced.

The way the article reads is that battery replacement does not exist for this MODEL not car. Are you saying there was only ONE of this model ever made that year?

A lemon issue is an entirely different thing. This was a car looking for a part. The main part necessary for it to go vroom. ... Ok, this one doesn't go Vroom but you get the idea.

I have a 2004 truck and there are parts available for it to be repaired. There are entire warehouses full of parts available for cars made into the 50s and 60s and before still available. So I'm not sure where you want to go with that.

 

[Toxick]

Lithium shortages impact Tesla, other EV carmakers, numerous tech markets

And people with manic depression.

 

[Kyle]

And people with manic depression.

Let them drive Teslas.

 

[glhs837]

Tesla isn't the only car in the event. If ALL of them dont' support a long term solution gonna get ugly.

9, 226 of these E-Focii made over seven years..... And Ford didn't even make the drivetrain, they sourced that out to Magna. IMO, up til now, Tesla has been the only one in the game. Everybody else were spectators in the game, maybe they paid someone to drive them around the infield. That's why GM had a hard time with the Bolt recall, LG made the drive systems for them under contract.

Legacy makers are just now getting it, that if they dont make the whole damn car, they are doomed. Still might if they don't learn the lessons of relentless change and optimization. Till now the numbers have been low enough they could just mail it in. If they want to produce hundreds of thousands of these, they need to support them just like "real" cars. But they have legacy stuff like unions and dealerships and multi-tier supplier chains weighing them down.

 

[Kyle]

Sneakers had it right.

This is a toy market for now and the close, foreseeable future.

 

[kwillia]

Sneakers had it right.

This is a toy market for now and the close, foreseeable future.

Yep, and and with the price of these ‘for limited use’ vehicles we expect to be able to keep them operational long term (10+ years) and affordably to justify the long term loan the typical consumer will be required to secure to obtain one.