I'm going to link it just in case it's gone by the time he gets back:
Elon Musk - Words and Commentary
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I'm going to link it just in case it's gone by the time he gets back:
Clem72
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The proposed budget has $100B plus up for the DoD. Weird that they would want more money for less programs, but makes sense if they have to pay contractors to do all the work formerly done by the civvies.
glhs837
Power with Control
How much spending is Congressionally mandated but unwanted by the Pentagon because Senator Blowhard needs to keep his defense jobs?
Some stuff is very smart spending. Every firkin dime ever given to the Sidewinder program has been well spent. Damn things magic at this point and can be launched from everything in the sky and on the ground. Same for the Tomahawk, the lesson of iterative improvement is well proven. I think the Missile Mafia killed the railgun in its crib, sadly.
We also need to spend on is sustainment. Getting us the depth to do a long fight in both munitions and platforms. Expand on the recent push for "good enough" weapons that we can produce in sufficient numbers to bring a crap ton to the fight. Whomever ported that kickass surface missile to the Hornet? Give those effers a LOT of money.
Lastly, the thing we need the most is a goddamn BUDGET!!! A real one, with consistency. We probably burn the cost of an F35 or two every damn CR in manhours just in datacalls.
22AcaciaAve
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Are you a government employee? How do you know this? This is BS that as been spouted for decades. Yes, you are correct that some people are like what you said, but not all, and not most unless you have facts and figures to back it up. I've worked in the private sector for decades and seen the same thing you are describing. So can you bring facts to back up that government workers do less than private sector workers? There is bloat in the government, but there are slackers in the private world as well. Believe me, I have carried a number of them over the years.
22AcaciaAve
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Never been a fan of Elon Musk. He treats his workers brutally. He demands 120 hours a week, 7 day work weeks. He is obsessed with power and control. I don't dispute his success. But it is on the backs of others. He has trashed Americans as not wanting to work, and then uses government funds to further his enterprises. He seems to enjoy destroying people's lives. He gets pleasure out of it. That is called a Psychopath.
I don't dispute that he has found fraud and waste in the government, no doubt that has been an issue for decades. I don't agree with the destruction of government agencies. I agree that they need to be looked at and discontinued on an orderly basis. Not just with a tweet that says they are in the wood chipper. That's cruel.
I'm more interested in what happens down the road. President Trump is smart letting Musk take the heat. From Musk's standpoint I'm not sure it is smart. Dems seem concentrated on him. I know a local dem politician who said once back in power, the national dem party will cancel all of his contracts and make sure he never launches any of his missions from a US base again. Maybe that's just talk, but if true his dream of a Mars mission will be made much more difficult. When dems get back in power, and they will because the pendulum swings both ways, if they freeze him out, he will be the first little bitch crying about it.
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and watch the show.
I don't dispute that he has found fraud and waste in the government, no doubt that has been an issue for decades. I don't agree with the destruction of government agencies. I agree that they need to be looked at and discontinued on an orderly basis. Not just with a tweet that says they are in the wood chipper. That's cruel.
I'm more interested in what happens down the road. President Trump is smart letting Musk take the heat. From Musk's standpoint I'm not sure it is smart. Dems seem concentrated on him. I know a local dem politician who said once back in power, the national dem party will cancel all of his contracts and make sure he never launches any of his missions from a US base again. Maybe that's just talk, but if true his dream of a Mars mission will be made much more difficult. When dems get back in power, and they will because the pendulum swings both ways, if they freeze him out, he will be the first little bitch crying about it.
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and watch the show.
I was a government employee, I stated that earlier, so yes I have experienced it firsthand.
Anyone who has been involved with the working of the government already knows what I am saying is true.
My advice to you is read threads from the beginning,
Sounds like what I did post struck a nerve close to home, if so GOOD!
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glhs837
Power with Control
1. Source on that worker treatment claim? Odd that the vast majority of his work force is happy. The NRLB would have you believe otherwise, but they are pretty much a union shop themselves.
2. These next two about power and control and enjoying destroying peoples live say that you what's in the mans mind. Pretty hard to run two international businesses and two other domestic ones without exerting power and control. And pretty sure you cant know what the man gets pleasure from.
He certainly isn't a perfect person. Nobody is. But those things above are all part of the Hate Musk bs. Like the very fine people hoax. they just keep repeating it.
Now, about launches. They can talk all they want. But at the end of the day, NASA and the Pentagon need what he's selling. You cant rotate crew on the ISS without him unless you use the Russians. If you want the US and our allies to have high speed high bandwidth comms, you have to let him launch. And they both need Starship to succeed.
Well you just beat clem with your drivel call
1-800- eat- sh*t and claim your prize.
22AcaciaAve
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You thought enough to comment on my posts so it sounds like what I posted struck a nerve. Maybe you should call 1-800-eat-d*ck for your prize. Or maybe next time try to have an intelligent conversation, if you can. Finished replying to you bud, peace out!
22AcaciaAve
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There a plenty of sources on the worker treatment claim. Here's one. I'm sure you will have a dispute against it. There are more, I'm not taking the time to do your research. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-11-14/elon-musk-toxic-boss-timeline
I'll give you #2. It is my opinion. I don't know the man personally, and would never want to. I said I acknowledge his success. From everything I have read and seen from him I think he is a douche bag of a person. He was privileged as a kid and also bullied. Now with unlimited money and power he want's to make as many people suffer as possible. Again, my opinion. I'm not alone.
As for his space endeavors, the ISS is approaching the end of life. It is scheduled to be de-orbited in 2030, two years after the end of President Trump's term. He has an open area for the next four years as long as he and Trump don't have a falling out. No doubt why he changed from criticizing Trump as a person who was too old and should just go away, to someone he would pour a ton of his money into. I would hope Trump sees him for what he is and does not really trust him, I think Trump is smarter than that.
I have no idea if the dems will follow through on the claims they are making now. But if they run on taking Musk out of America's space program they better follow through. Maybe they fund Bezos and Blue Origin. I'm willing to give tax dollars to that if it means getting rid of Musk. I'm sure others would too.
I've read enough of your drivel to know that intelligent conversation with you ain't gonna happen. Way way too much estrogen in your system.
That ^.
glhs837
Power with Control
Firing people doesn't make you evil. Pretty hard to have a company that large and not have to fire folks. Lots of npoise, not much in the way of facts. The whole lack of care about safety was the stupid covid thing. Even when they demoed ways to keep the factory open following the made up BS restrictions, CA still wouldn't budge. The lack of safety was only in Faucis mind.
The other safety things was the injury incident rate at SpaceX compared to other rocket production facilities. Of course in Texas, they are building rockets in a way more akin to rough construction, but that standard wasnt applied.
Bezos and BOs problems were not a lack of funding. It was a desire to follow the Old Space norms of design and test. That plus the first guy he hired was not a hard charger. Doing much better now. But he's facing the same problem as the rest of the industry. They are trying to make a Falcon 9 replacement. Bezos did better, he's shooting to make a larger Falcon 9 at least. But he'll come up short compared to Starship. Without a fully reusable second stage, you cant compete. Like a lot of Teslas competitors, they make the mistake of shooting where Musk was, insterd of seeing where he's going and aiming for that. Its like trying to match the USN of 1938, but by the time you get to sea, you are up against the USN of 1944.
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The only time I've ever seen that accusation is when he bought Twitter and gutted out the nonperformers who don't contribute to the bottom line.
Again:
ELON MUSK IS MERELY TASKED WITH FINDING THE PROBLEMS. HE IS NOT TAKING ACTION ON ANYTHING.
Why is this so hard to understand? Literally all Elon Musk and his team are doing is ferreting out the waste, fraud, and corruption in our government spending. They are doing nothing - no thing - more than that. Yet the tards in the media are absolutely losing their sht over this and he has become Democrat Public Enemy #1.....because he's finding all these things our government pisses our money away on.
I don't understand this logically and the only thing I can think is that:
- Musk is getting into the swamp's goody bag
- They don't like that
- They send out their media mouthpieces on the nets and social media to make all these false accusations
- Weak minds gobble these accusations and puke them back up
Why are you good with billionaire Bezos and not billionaire Musk? And don't say because he treats his employees better or I'll have to run down the bazillion news stories about more than half his workforce qualifying for food stamps while he's buying half a billion dollar yachts.