Food for thought-

[Gwydion]

Again, let's not ASSUME all people on food stamps buy expensive food and try not to make it go as far as they can. Quit stereotyping. There are people that abuse every system out there, but not EVEYRBODY does that.

I wasn't generalizing at all. I am saying that people that are on food stamps shouldn't be eating steaks, which is why a $21 a week is plenty to live off of. /applaud the food stamper's are making it stretch. Now just get off using them for good.

 

[BS Gal]

From the story:

So, in other words, 10 people living in that trailer and not a single one of them works?

They're working at having babies, apparently.

 

[pixiegirl]

This was a long time ago and life insurance wasn't prevalent back then.

Pixie, not everything is cut and dried, black and white. And it's not always a "poor choice". Like I said, people change.

Long time ago... My first post to Jen said specifically that it did not pertain to her mother as I'm sure it was a different time.

 

[jenbengen]

I wasn't generalizing at all. I am saying that people that are on food stamps shouldn't be eating steaks, which is why a $21 a week is plenty to live off of. /applaud the food stamper's are making it stretch. Now just get off using them for good.

Okeedokee.

 

[pixiegirl]

LIFE is a game of chance. You've been smoking a bit too much of the pixie dust. Let's just agree to disagree, huh?

But if you're not prepared for the world you live in than you're (and that's a generic you're not directed at you so don't get your panties in a bunch and take it all personal like you did about your mom when that wasn't directed at her) a dumbass and I'm the one smoking something???

Let's do that.

 

[pixiegirl]

Food for thought- 04-25-2007 03:20 PM yes, you are the tard. STFU.

As long as it's known that I'm not just a tard but THE tard I guess we're ok.

 

[DoWhat]

I haven't read this whole thread, but let me tell you something.

When I croak, my wife will be a RICH beotch.
And I will have lots of, so called friends at my funeral.


She will mourn for a couple days, I hope.

So, don’t show up and drink all the F’in beer.

 

[carolinagirl]

I think that's a totally irresponsible choice for a woman to make without some sort of insurance that if daddy dies/runs off/becomes a crackhead she will within a reasonable amount of time be able to care for her children herself.

Through my own irresponsible/immature actions I had a baby with a POS who had never paid for his child. MY FAULT, not Joe taxpayer. I luckily had supportive/helpful parents and a decent job and didn't need state aide. I'm not faulting anyone that needs it for a short time but to be unable to survive without it.... There's no excuse. My parents helped me a ton. They never handed me money but they may as well have. If I was stuck in traffic my mom would pick up N so I wouldn't be charged late fees, she always bought him clothes without ever being asked (hell she still does), things like that. Without that help N and I would have been living a whole lot tighter. I'm not saying people don't desrve a helping hand on occasion I'm saying it's irresponsible for a woman (who is most of the time ultimately responsible for her child) to have and keep a child/children that she can not reasonably support.

So if your parents weren't around to help you, there may have been a possibility that you would have needed some type of assistance to make it until things got better, right?

I had a very similar situation as you when I had my first child. I was 24 and had a college degree, but contrary to my personal belief, I had no clue what it took to raise a kid. If it had not been for my parents and friends, I very well may have needed assistance to make it for a while. I am fortunate enough to have made a way for myself and my child even prior to meeting my husband, but not without the help.

 

[jenbengen]

But if you're not prepared for the world you live in than you're (and that's a generic you're not directed at you so don't get your panties in a bunch and take it all personal like you did about your mom when that wasn't directed at her) a dumbass and I'm the one smoking something???

Let's do that.

Sweetie, I wasn't taking any of it personally towards my mom, I was taking it personally for everybody that has struggles in their life that need some assistance. You are just so far off mark it isn't worth worrying about anymore.

 

[vraiblonde]

long term support by the gov't is inexcusable.

I agree with that. My Mom managed a bar and made good money. Unfortunately she was an alcoholic, so that job went away when she went into treatment. She got welfare and food stamps for two years while she went to school and got her counseling certificate, then she got a job and got off the dole.

Longterm welfare is a trap to enslave the poor.

 

[Redskinsmama]

$84 a month is plenty of money to buy:

4 loafs of bread...$5
20 packages of ramen noodles...$4
4lbs. of chicken...$10
3lbs. of ground beef....$8
1 jar peanut butter....$3
1 jar of jelly....$3
3 packages of hot dogs...$9

do you see where i'm going?!?!?! it's ridiculous to think that people believe they can't live off of $21 a week. i have personally lived off of less when times were rough, and i didn't ##### and i didn't need a hand out. If you can't afford to add 20 extra a week to what you're given, well you suck at life.

 

[vraiblonde]

So with children that age was the mother working?

Of course - they never went on welfare, I was just using them as an example of how things can go wrong. After the dad beat feet, they lived with their grandparents until the Mom could get on her feet. But not everyone has that kind of support system.

 

[pixiegirl]

So if your parents weren't around to help you, there may have been a possibility that you would have needed some type of assistance to make it until things got better, right?

I had a very similar situation as you when I had my first child. I was 24 and had a college degree, but contrary to my personal belief, I had no clue what it took to raise a kid. If it had not been for my parents and friends, I very well may have needed assistance to make it for a while. I am fortunate enough to have made a way for myself and my child even prior to meeting my husband, but not without the help.

I have said repeatedly that temporary assistance is ok, long term is not. I doubt that without my parents help that I would have needed gov't aide but I'd have been living much leaner than I was. I'm not being pompus as some people percieve I'm only saying that a woman who accepts the responsibility of bringing a child into this world should be able to care for that child and be prepared to be the only person to care for that child if the situation arises. We all need a little help from time to time but to let that help become a standard is wrong as a parent and people like that do not deserve the kids they have. Being a parent isn't a right it's a responsibility.

 

[jenbengen]

$84 a month is plenty of money to buy:

4 loafs of bread...$5
20 packages of ramen noodles...$4
4lbs. of chicken...$10
3lbs. of ground beef....$8
1 jar peanut butter....$3
1 jar of jelly....$3
3 packages of hot dogs...$9

do you see where i'm going?!?!?! it's ridiculous to think that people believe they can't live off of $21 a week. i have personally lived off of less when times were rough, and i didn't ##### and i didn't need a hand out. If you can't afford to add 20 extra a week to what you're given, well you suck at life.

you forgot milk for the baby, or diapers, or formula.....

 

[pixiegirl]

Of course - they never went on welfare, I was just using them as an example of how things can go wrong. After the dad beat feet, they lived with their grandparents until the Mom could get on her feet. But not everyone has that kind of support system.

Again.... Until they could get on their feet... Temporary.... I don't have a problem with this. You and Jen KEEP putting words in my mouth. I have a problem with long term survival that is dependant on wellfare.

 

[jenbengen]

I have said repeatedly that temporary assistance is ok, long term is not. I doubt that without my parents help that I would have needed gov't aide but I'd have been living much leaner than I was. I'm not being pompus as some people percieve I'm only saying that a woman who accepts the responsibility of bringing a child into this world should be able to care for that child and be prepared to be the only person to care for that child if the situation arises. We all need a little help from time to time but to let that help become a standard is wrong as a parent and people like that do not deserve the kids they have. Being a parent isn't a right it's a responsibility.

I've never disagreed that permanent help is crazy, it's the other stuff that annoyed me.

 

[Roberta]

From my own personal experience, some women don't necessarily choose a poor mate - their husband *becomes* a poor mate. You can choose a guy who is terrific, stable and a good family man, then they kirk out and start doing stupid things to wreck the family.

My own experience PLUS:

A friend whose husband couldn't take the job pressure, so he got hooked on crack.

My DIL's father who decided life was passing him by, so he ran off with some 20 year old chickie.

And there are countless others. It's not always that the woman made a bad choice. People change. And, yeah, sometimes you can see the train wreck coming from miles away, but not always.

 

[Gwydion]

When it comes down to it, I think we can all agree the 10 people living in that trailer were abusing the welfare system and made some poor choices. If nothing else, lets all attempt to not be bottom sucking scum like them.

I can understand going on welfare short - term. But if I recall, you get more money for the more people living under your roof. So those 10 people were popping babies out soley to get more cash per month.

To the other argument....if you are not financially stable to have a baby and have a plan in case the money maker in the family loses a job, then you shouldn't be having a kid.

On the other hand....you shouldn't be having a kid with a complete moron either. People change, circumstances change, but don't get hooked on relying on the gov't to cover up those changes.

 

[Roberta]

I guess the mom should just give up the kids that she can't afford. That'll help- let's let the taxpayers pay for children of the state. MUCH BETTER. Oh, and you say "give them up"...how many moms who love their kids would do that??!! And who the f**k is going to take 4 kids?! Just shut up while your hollier then thou head.

Fixed

 

[pixiegirl]

I've never disagreed that permanent help is crazy, it's the other stuff that annoyed me.

And what exactly was that other stuff? That people shouldn't have babies they can't take care of? That it wasn't directed at your mother since I'm sure that was a different time? What exactly did you find so annoying?


Food for thought- 04-25-2007 03:36 PM READ THE WHOLE STATMENT- FATHER SKIPPED TOWN, DF

I don't know who DF is nor do I care. But listen reeree... Read my first reply that said it wasn't directed at her mother...