But wouldn't it have made more sense to keep working on it and perfecting it? The bad guys didn't go away, after all.
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Help me with my education - I probably don't understand this stuff the way I should.
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dems4me
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Originally posted by otter
And you don't????Were the folks here looking at Dean with rose tinted glasses or were you??
I like Dean's record and have no shame backing him for this. It was his desperation that frieghtened me away. If Dean beats out Kerry then I'm back to rooting for Dean, if not I'm sticking with Kerry.
What in the hell are you talking about? Nobody said anything about Democrats vs. Republicans.
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dems4me
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Originally posted by vraiblonde
What in the hell are you talking about? Nobody said anything about Democrats vs. Republicans.
Its the slant vrai - everything bad that happens to the milatary must be Clinton or some other democrats fault and now we have simply moved onto Star Wars being the greatest program of all and mean ol' Clinton abandoned it for entirely no reason.
For that matter, lets just here and now say it -- everything in the world that is bad is because of Democrats or a democratic president, everything milatary related, everything that helps welfare and other outreach programs, everything that helps the lower and middle class, etc....
I just get tired of hearing this day in and day out.
Facts are facts. If it upsets you that Democrats aren't into a well-funded military and don't want to spend money on defense R & D, then you need to think about who you're voting for, not take it out on us.
What's the difference between National Missile Defense and SDI? I thought they were the same thing.
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dems4me
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Thats just it -- fact finding. Everytime a Republican on here finds facts - the dems say -- consider the source and its not reliable and same for when Democrats point out facts, etc. it is spun into bad data or people acting like hey can not comprehend something -- for example Sparx unemployment chart posted yesterday.
People in here can not pick a fact source to agree on when it comes for facts.
SamSpade
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Well neither do I, because I honest to God have not kept up with it. I remember back in the Gulf War, there was some speculation as to whether the Patriots actually stopped *any* Scuds from attacking. One analysis showed possibly no better than 9%. (Please don't ask me to go into it - the stuff I read was extensive - evaluations on what constituted a 'kill' and how the Patriot missile would indicate it, and so on).
We're not extremely advanced on anti-missile technology yet.
But SDI was to my knowledge, a whole 'nother animal - a system designed to stop the Soviet Union's barrage of ICBM's. Whether it worked or not, it forced the Soviet Union to recognize one thing - they had to either KEEP building MORE missiles, and keep maintaining a huge arsenal, or find some other way to deal with the problem. Gorbachev actually suspected that "peace" would ruin the US - that it depended so much on its "military industrial complex" (remember that phrase?) that "peace" would actually be the worst thing for us.
So SDI didn't ever *really* work. It got the job done. The big bad wolf was gone.
So why should we KEEP working on it? Wasn't the world safer, now that the Soviet Union was no more? There weren't any other bad guys. Why bother?
You know, it's not as though "nuclear terrorism" was something we were thinking about, then.
I'm not convinced that we're in great need of a missile defense system. Maybe *Taiwan* is. Perhaps South Korea. But not us.
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dems4me
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Vrai I'm not taking anything out on y'all. I back up the dems is all. I'm not in the military or anything like that so the issue does not even directly involve me. I don't think we need to blow a bunch of money on defense R & D no more than tying in the great scientific benefits well will have by spending a bunch of money on Mar's exploration.
I'm throwing the flag on you.
I gave you PBS timelines and World Almanac sites as a source. You gave me an opinion piece as your source.Do you understand the difference and what constitutes a credible source?
I addressed Sparx's unemployment chart directly and told him what was obvious to me from looking at that graph - that Republicans bring down unemployment and Democrats raise it right back up again. Look again at that chart and tell me that's not what you see as well.
And I say defense R&D and space exploration has led to some of our greatest inventions in the 20th century.
Ever hear of something called ARPANET?
SamSpade
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Usually, R & D is a drop in the bucket compared to the other expenses even in the Defense Dept. And it is way below the exorbitant costs of all the entitlement programs in our budget.
R & D is money well spent. It doesn't do us any good to have a world-class tank if someone can develop a brand-new tank killer weapon can be had for a few thousand that can blow it away. We can make the world's most silent subs, the most deadly jet fighters, the most accurate missiles - and be rendered useless by a new technology because we rested on our laurels.
That's what happened to the Soviet Union. They became a world superpower by building an arsenal of massive nuclear weapons. Eventually it became a millstone around their necks that they couldn't afford to maintain, and could not deploy without getting their azz kicked.
But shouldn't we be thinking about it now, in light of the War on Tara?
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dems4me
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No idea what ARPANET is - explain? And, I hope it cost billions and billions of dollars.
I've cited things from the Department of Labor, and other reputable cites in the past and its always the same response.
Ive looked at the chart and in no form does it show Republicans lower the UNemployment rate and the Dems doing the opposite. See its another who has the rose tinted glasses on. They are not talking about employment rates they are talking about UNEMPLOYMENT RATES -- 221 people viewed this chart and only 16 people responded to it - they were speachless???
Re look at the chart. I've got to go in about 20 min. I look forward to your response -- as you say "with baited breath"
ememdee19
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You failed to mention that BAH is only $840 for those w/o dependents. Try using another zip code and see what you come up with. Those allowances obviously vary by location, which means my whopping $836
could buy my family a decent single family home - think again. As for meals...meals schmeals! I can't remember the last time my husband was able to get a meal from the base's fine dining facility.
Medical - is that what you call it?
I'd hardly classify any of those as "benefits".
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dems4me
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No I don't loath Bush. I posted good things about him yesterday -- you loath anything having to do with a democrat -- I just try to defend them sometimes.
Am I wrong about the chart thing? It clearly states UNEMPLOYMENT -- my posts may seem amusing to you and others that are republicans with their heads in the same, but they are truthful.
I can quit and not post here anymore. It would save me a lot of grief and hair pulling in disbelief of some of the opinions stated here.
Once again, y'all win and you get the nice republican forum back without any opposition in politics and every thing ends happily every after for y'all. I'm just stating my beliefs (backed on fact) as y'all do yours and I'm ALWAYS the one getting picked on. I can certainly find other (more productive) uses for my time.
SamSpade
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Well sure, although I don't think ANY terrorist plans to attack the US with a nuclear missile. It would be far cheaper to smuggle one in than try to attack it from hundreds of miles away.
And of course, we thought back in '91 that there were no more enemies for the US. Defense just "wasn't needed".