Nupe...
Nupe2 said:
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one Bob. It is next to impossible to kill an idea. You'd pretty much have to kill everyone with that idea and hope that no others join in the beliefs expressed within that "idea." I doubt Bush or any other President would be able to accomplish this without the spectre of mutual destruction at some point down the line. I wish I knew how to bring about peace but I really can't get behind the idea that war is the answer.
Not trying to pick on you but, the idea is EXACTLY what needs killing. It ALWAYS is.
In our civil war the idea of white supremacy died when enough of those who said they would rather die than see blacks free either died or changed their mind. There will always be bigotry in the world but, with blacks successful at all levels of society throughout our nation, and especially the South, the idea is dead.
In WWII with Germany enough people who sought Aryan supremacy died or changed their mind for that idea to die.
Imperial Japan suffered the same reality; die or change you ways. That idea died.
We used capitalism to fell the Soviet Union.
In Korea, we left the job undone and the problem exists today. Vietnam is the same. In both cases, the only time we got anywhere in the direction of winning was when we laid the violence on thick.
We did not finish the job in Iraq in 1991. And?
Radical Islam is no different that the ideas of white or Aryan or Imperial or Communist supremacy. Kill enough of it and the idea dies. There is ZERO threat of Nazi-ism today nor rebirth of a Japanese Empire or the rebirth of slavery.
Communism and Islamofacism are a different story. It has to be understood and accepted that when something sees you as the enemy and sees it as a life or death contest, they ARE going to see it to the end. We can simply wait until they make us take them seriously or we can get on with the violence.
We are the good guys. We are the world. We are black and white and yellow and brown and Christian and Jew and Muslim and atheist and agnostic and however many more identities and backgrounds. That's why so many do not like us. For all our stuggles, all the rest of the world sees us and realizes how much they suck. Makes 'em grumpy.
That's why so many of our own struggle with our supremacy; they are not comfortable with that kind of freedom and that kind of responsibility. Americanism is the blood enemy, because of our very diversity, of the other 'isms' and their exclusivity. Tough to face when all you ever focus on is our own problems.
This is war between our ideas, one of freedom and justice for all, and their ideas which are the antithesis. With the ever increasing power to do harm, the sooner this battle is won the better.