"Gays" - tell them the Truth

[Kizzy]

Kizzy, you really need to quit posting a Jay.

Was that suppose to say "as" Jay?

If so, your sadly mistaken, he is actually posting on this board.

Also, it isn't respectful to use people's first names on the board.

 

[BuddyLee]

It will be implied that because the founding fathers were christian, that it should be understood that way. Good for the 1700's, but not applicable today I say.

Just to clarify, were all the founding fathers Christian?

BTW, those very founding fathers also implemented the first amendment.

<H4>Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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[gumbo]

I'm not a big supporter of gay rights or anything but I want to know is being gay any worse than someone who swears 24/7?

I mean they are both sins, why aren't Christians out trying to get people to quit swearing?

Who said their not , and why are you trying to twist the thread into
something that it is not.

If you really wanted to know the answer of how Christians are opposed to swearing , you would have started a thread on the topic.
So I don't really think you care what the answer is.
But for the sake of me being wrong about your intentions.
Yes they are both sins , but I don't see large organized groups of cursing sailors denying they sin or screaming freedom of speech in parades.
Nor do I see Foul Word Day at Disney World a Family theme park.
Nor do I see them trying to form the By God Captain we is Common Church of St Mary's.
So therefore swearing is not the big issue with Christians at this present time.

 

[BuddyLee]

Just to clarify, were all the founding fathers Christian?

BTW, those very founding fathers also implemented the first amendment.

Interesting.

Thomas Jefferson:

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.​

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Jefferson again:

Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.​

Jefferson:

The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.​

John Adams:

Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?​

Adams:

The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.​

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.​

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[BuddyLee]

More...

Thomas Paine:

I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).

Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).

It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.

Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance.

The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.​

James Madison:

What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.​

Read more on Ethan Allen, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and more...

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[Bustem' Down]

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Read more on Ethan Allen, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and more...

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#franklin
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Ethan Allen makes furniture!

 

[BuddyLee]

Ethan Allen makes furniture!

Patriotic furniture!

 

[Nickel]

It will be implied that because the founding fathers were christian, that it should be understood that way. Good for the 1700's, but not applicable today I say.

So basically all of the ammendments are up for renegotiation? No. You can't pick and choose what suits you, and you can't use religion to rewrite the constitution.

 

[virgovictoria]

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Read more on Ethan Allen, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and more...

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#franklin
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Interesting, Thanks for the link...

 

[dems4me]

Please ! Do you promise ! Because I have never seen anyone that is as talented at twisting words around than you.
You should have been a ambulance chasing attorney

 

[ceo_pte]

I don't think 2A is saying that you should judge the person. But we are all responsible people and capable of judging actions. It's not judging the person, it's juding the action. Just like a thief or a rapist. I don't know why they do it, but I do know it(being the action) is wrong based on biblical principles. I believe all people are good, deep down inside, it's just that alot of people do bad things for the wrong reasons.

 

[dems4me]

I don't think 2A is saying that you should judge the person. But we are all responsible people and capable of judging actions. It's not judging the person, it's juding the action. Just like a thief or a rapist. I don't know why they do it, but I do know it(being the action) is wrong based on biblical principles. I believe all people are good, deep down inside, it's just that alot of people do bad things for the wrong reasons.

Personally, I NEVER judge anyone... I form opinions

 

[ceo_pte]

Our pastor spoke on homosexuality one Sunday. His teachings pointed to homosexuality as being a sin that if everyone were homosexual, the entire race of humans would be wiped out in one generation. There would be no children produced. I obviously don't have my notes, but it was a great message.

 

[Christy]

Our pastor spoke on homosexuality one Sunday. His teachings pointed to homosexuality as being a sin that if everyone were homosexual, the entire race of humans would be wiped out in one generation. There would be no children produced. I obviously don't have my notes, but it was a great message.

That's a bit of a reach. Gays are having babies left and right these days. They either hook up with another gay of a differing sex to make them a baby or they go to a sperm bank, or hire a surrogate. :shrug:

I just don't get all this gay hatred. I guess they're easier target than the quiet pedophile shaking hands and hugging you after church. :shrug:

 

[Tonio]

Our pastor spoke on homosexuality one Sunday. His teachings pointed to homosexuality as being a sin that if everyone were homosexual, the entire race of humans would be wiped out in one generation. There would be no children produced. I obviously don't have my notes, but it was a great message.

That implies that even straight couples who choose not to have children are committing a sin.

 

[ceo_pte]

That's a bit of a reach. Gays are having babies left and right these days. They either hook up with another gay of a differing sex to make them a baby or they go to a sperm bank, or hire a surrogate. :shrug:

I just don't get all this gay hatred. I guess they're easier target than the quiet pedophile shaking hands and hugging you after church. :shrug:

so they're not really homosexuals "They either hook up with another gay of a differing sex to make them a baby"

Two homosexuals can't have a baby, God didn't make 'em that way! Sure you can use technology to do all kinds of things.

 

[ceo_pte]

That implies that even straight couples who choose not to have children are committing a sin.

you implied that. I simply stated that a society of homosexuals could not reproduce. Take it how you want to.

 

[cattitude]

Two homosexuals can't have a baby, God didn't make 'em that way! Sure you can use technology to do all kinds of things.

And neither can some hetero couples...so is using technology wrong?

 

[Tonio]

so they're not really homosexuals "They either hook up with another gay of a differing sex to make them a baby"

A straight man who becomes a celibate priest is still straight, even though he doesn't act on his romantic and sexual feelings for women. The same would be true for gay people.

 

[ceo_pte]

And neither can some hetero couples...so is using technology wrong?

I believe that techonology is being used in great ways and bad ways. I just chose to create children the way God designed it.

I understand that some couples are told that they can't have children, but I also know the story of Abraham(Abram) and Sarah(Sarai). I guess what you believe, depends on who you view as being your 'source.'