Ken King said:
I understand. Make it about me rather than your own flip-flopping position. If I were in your shoes, I might do the same thing. 
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I understand. Make it about me rather than your own flip-flopping position. If I were in your shoes, I might do the same thing. 
Well, I wasn't going to call you Clinton-esque. Al Gore-esque, maybe. John Kerry-esque, definitely. But Clinton? Nah - that would be hitting below the belt. Like in......Greco-Roman wrestling, perhaps?Ken King said:
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Perhaps I need to clarify...
...it's ALL on the Palestinians now.
They have shown no reason to have any confidence in what they will now do in terms of peace and an optimistic future and that is based on their leadership of the last 30 years, not opinion. I wish them all the best but we will simply have to see.
vraiblonde said:Yeah, yeah...then 20, then 30, then 40.The Palestinians are like the Moveon.org crowd - they will NEVER be satisfied until their enemies are all dead. Doesn't matter that they make their own problems, they will insist that they are victims of some plot.
...it's ALL on the Palestinians now.
They have shown no reason to have any confidence in what they will now do in terms of peace and an optimistic future and that is based on their leadership of the last 30 years, not opinion. I wish them all the best but we will simply have to see.
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bennydafig said:
Did you know the Israelis flew over the ship multiple times before they attacked it?
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Nupe2 said:
Until the the state of Israel was created Israel and Jordan were part of the British Mandate of Palestine and there were very few Jews in the area until the Jews emmigrated there and ended up making themselves the majority in less than a generation. The Jordanians probably think that they have already givedn up plenty of land to the Jews. Also the Palestinians want their land not neighboring lands.
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vraiblonde said:
I strongly disagree....although a lot of people in this country think of UN as just monitoring and in some cases interferring with nations' foreign policies it also is involved in helping starving children (UNICEF) and protecting natural and cultural sites (UNESCO).
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Also, Reagan pulled us out of UNESCO in the 80s because of administrative corruption and financial mismanagement, coupled with their anti-American political stance.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/BG1405.cfm
The UN sucks.
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vraiblonde said:
HHHmmmm...I wonder why the Great Smoky Mountains NP and about a dozen other places in this country are on the UNESCO World Heritage site list. It's actually stated on the Great Smoky Mtn NP welcome signs.
Also almost every aid organization has more than its share of corruption and financial mismanagement. People sell Red Cross aid packages instead of handing them out on a regular basis.
The Red Cross sucks, too. At least on a global level - the local RCs that aid people in the immediate area are good organizations and worthy of support. You know the head of the SoMD Red Cross isn't living in a palace with a 7-figure salary.Triggerfish said:
For the same reason businesses display their BBB sticker: because their customers don't know any better and think it's a sign of a reputable business, rather than a sign that the owner coughed up the money for membership.Triggerfish said:
And, frankly, those UNESCO bastards had BETTER support something in the US, considering we contribute ONE-FOURTH of their budget.
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vraiblonde said:
Well, the Red Cross was just an example. In general any large international aid organization has people stealing funds. However if you want to send aid to flood or earthquake victims whether they are domestic or international you will probably end up giving to one of these big organizations since they are the only ones that can really organize and coordinate aid. Yeah, you can send blankets and stuff directly if you know someone there but in most cases hard cash is more helpful (unfortunately easier to steal) since they can buy what the area really needs and it can stimulate the local economy. Sending items can in some cases do more harm than good since they have to spend a lot more manpower separating the items and distributing them. Plus they take up space on planes and trucks to the area whose infrastructure may be limited.