Girls to fight with men in the Rangers & Seals

[Misfit]

Having spent too much time in the surf zone I will say, I'd always thought it was kinda gay having another man pee on me to keep me warm. I would have felt better about it if it was a girl.

 

[thurley42]

You referring to PFC Lynch - the supply clerk? The reason the public even went nuts is they didn't think women were anywhere near the combat lines. I guess they don't realize who drives the supply trucks and who the medics are and that combat lines are not straight lines drawn on a map.

The American public doesn't give a crap about anybody being killed or raped, as long as it doesn't directly effect them. We are an apathetic nation.

If I'm not mistaken he's referring to 1992 in Somolia when the pictures of our Delta and Rangers were on the news, their bodies being drug and beaten through the streets....

The same could be said for Fallujah when the Blackhawk operators were hung from the bridges....

Our nation gives a crap about what the media tells them to.....and I tend to agree that those images with females will trigger more of an emotional response than they already did, and will fit well with some asshats political agenda....

 

[migtig]

If I'm not mistaken he's referring to 1992 in Somolia when the pictures of our Delta and Rangers were on the news, their bodies being drug and beaten through the streets....

The same could be said for Fallujah when the Blackhawk operators were hung from the bridges....

Our nation gives a crap about what the media tells them to.....and I tend to agree that those images with females will trigger more of an emotional response than they already did, and will fit well with some asshats political agenda....

Oh I got the BlackHawk reference. I was referring to his 1st Gulf War comment.

I still think our nation is apathetic and people in general do not care if it doesn't effect them.

Do a draft of women and men. Then we might get an involved public.

 

[ZARA]

I'm a pretty big girl... 5'6'' 145-150 ish... But I still could never seem to push them over or pick them up.

With proper training you would not try to pick them up or push them over, you would use their weight and strength against them. Not try to meet them strength for strength.

I am 5'3" and 129 lbs. I was 115 lbs when I met my husband. He is 6'3" and about 200 back then.

I LOVE sparing, wrestling, and fighting in general. My husband and I use to wrestle a lot back when we first started dating. He always thought he had the upper hand because he was so much bigger than I am. I love it when I am underestimated. That's MY edge.

One day we were wrestling, he had me pinned on my back fair and square. He was sitting on my chest facing me, his knees squeezing my biceps close to my body and my forearms were crossed over my breasts. No way I could push him off me. BUT he did not account for the freedom of my legs. I flipped my legs up, wrapped them around his neck, and jerked him backwards off me.

I did not overpower him. I out maneuvered him. The look of utter surprise on his face...Priceless. Now...don't ask if I can do that today, we haven't wrestled since my accident. But the point is, yes, it is possible to out maneuver someone.

As for Female Seals/Rangers. I have no idea how I feel about that. It would take a slightly psychotic woman without much compassion to be successful. Physically, yes, a woman could do it. The question is could she do it mentally.

 

[Misfit]

One day we were wrestling, he had me pinned on my back fair and square. He was sitting on my chest facing me, his knees squeezing my biceps close to my body and my forearms were crossed over my breasts.

That's the hottest post I've read all day.

 

[JeJeTe]

This is my favorite ranger....

 

[Larry Gude]

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I think you are just blowing smoke to be blowing it, not having interacted with any Rangers or any active duty females.

I am specifically not blowing smoke evidence by the ready acknowledgment that most of what special forces people do can be done and done well by women. Smarts, stamina, endurance, courage. Except the physical demolition of body and the brute strength.

So, there are Ranger jobs women can do and do well, but, the training to get there will destroy them. That's just simply based on real world studies done by the USMC.

:shrug:

 

[Larry Gude]

One day we were wrestling, he had me pinned on my back fair and square. He was sitting on my chest facing me, his knees squeezing my biceps close to my body and my forearms were crossed over my breasts. No way I could push him off me. BUT he did not account for the freedom of my legs. I flipped my legs up, wrapped them around his neck, and jerked him backwards off me. .

I did some self defense training a few weekends ago and the girl part of the guy/gal team showed us what pain was. She had two moves from the bottom, one of which didn't hurt, the other which her partner no longer allows her to demonstrate with him so...I STILL feel the pain in my hips.

 

[migtig]

I am specifically not blowing smoke evidence by the ready acknowledgment that most of what special forces people do can be done and done well by women. Smarts, stamina, endurance, courage. Except the physical demolition of body and the brute strength.

So, there are Ranger jobs women can do and do well, but, the training to get there will destroy them. That's just simply based on real world studies done by the USMC.

:shrug:

USMC and US Army are two completely different worlds, completely different mentalities and completely different training requirements.

As I already stated, I doubt many, if any, women would even consider going Force Recon, mush less make it.

Two different worlds. You are making the wrong comparisons based on the wrong data used for measurement and reference and therefore your theory is incorrect.

 

[thurley42]

I did some self defense training a few weekends ago and the girl part of the guy/gal team showed us what pain was. She had two moves from the bottom, one of which didn't hurt, the other which her partner no longer allows her to demonstrate with him so...I STILL feel the pain in my hips.

and all of these things work well against the uninitiated.......

 

[Misfit]

I'm a pretty big girl... 5'6'' 145-150 ish... But I still could never seem to push them over.:

They tricked you again :wr: you’re supposed to do that to cows.

 

[withrespect]

....♫♪...kumbaya, my Lord ... kumbaya....♫♪

 

[itsbob]

Since you are specifically referring to Rangers...I will respectfully disagree with your opinion.

Most Rangers do have knee problems. However, most folks (male or female) with jump status have knee problems. Will there be freak accidents with a woman getting strangled in her cords. sure. But the guys have already set the precedent.

As for being a Ranger, I believe many women would excel at it. Forward observation is within any woman's wheelhouse.

Scouting - women do that every day looking for a sale. Ambushes - ever been married? Raids - ever have a mother? Women would excel as Rangers. Having interacted with many a crying snot blowing Alpha Company 1/75 Ranger for having to go without a meal for a few days and knowing women who intentionally starve themselves...

Yeah I'm making a joke, but it's true. There are many women who would fit very well within the Ranger mold.

I think you are just blowing smoke to be blowing it, not having interacted with any Rangers or any active duty females.

Nope..

Unless they drop their standards (which they've done over several years in the name of "safety") I don't see it happening.

What's a pisser is they're going to be allowed to try, and waste valuable seats in the Ranger School.. and all the schools and training that lead up to the Ranger School.

But what will be coming are Female Ranger Standards, and Male Ranger Standards.. that's a given.

10 mile forced Road March with Ruck.. yep, they'll both have to do it, but the Male will have a MALE Ruck weighing in at about 100-125 pounds, and the female will have the FEMALE Ruck weighing in about 50 - 75 pounds.

BUT if they still do things the way they used to, you just can't "go to Ranger School". You have to strike out for the seat in the school through an Infantry Batt.. You can enlist for a Ranger option on your contract but you still have to compete at every level to get the tab.

I can't wait to see the footage of the first female Ranger candidate dumpster diving behind the messhall because she didn't get enough to eat to make it through another day..

Oh, and HUGE difference between being on "Jump Status" or making it through Jump School and being a Ranger.. any REMF in the military can go, and make it through Jump School..

 

[migtig]

Nope..

Unless they drop their standards (which they've done over several years in the name of "safety") I don't see it happening.

What's a pisser is they're going to be allowed to try, and waste valuable seats in the Ranger School.. and all the schools and training that lead up to the Ranger School.

But what will be coming are Female Ranger Standards, and Male Ranger Standards.. that's a given.

10 mile forced Road March with Ruck.. yep, they'll both have to do it, but the Male will have a MALE Ruck weighing in at about 100-125 pounds, and the female will have the FEMALE Ruck weighing in about 50 - 75 pounds.

BUT if they still do things the way they used to, you just can't "go to Ranger School". You have to strike out for the seat in the school through an Infantry Batt.. You can enlist for a Ranger option on your contract but you still have to compete at every level to get the tab.

I can't wait to see the footage of the first female Ranger candidate dumpster diving behind the messhall because she didn't get enough to eat to make it through another day..

Oh, and HUGE difference between being on "Jump Status" or making it through Jump School and being a Ranger.. any REMF in the military can go, and make it through Jump School..

I'm saying it can be done. There are many women who can and would jump at that opportunity.

And you are correct, yes, they have to go through all the AIT and Airborne training, just like the guys do, before even qualifying for Ranger school. But if they hold their own through all that, why wouldn't they continue to do so?

I doubt any "old-timers" would be going through all the training. It'd have to be some nubile 18 year old biytch who thinks boot camp is hoot and isn't scared of heights.

I bet you a quarter it'll happen without any lowering of standards.

 

[withrespect]

They tricked you again :wr: you’re supposed to do that to cows.

 

[itsbob]

the problem's not going to be in the training, it's on the battlefield..

Going into combat a Ranger platoon has so many pounds of gear they have to carry.. Combat Load, Water, Body Armor, First Aid Supplies, Crew Served weapons and ammumition..

Now they break that load up between 20 - 30 men (for a platoon) and it works out to about 100 pounds per person.. maybe a little more.

Mortar tubes, base plates, mortar rounds to feed the pig, M60 or SAW MG with combat load of ammo (usually 500 rounds), and asst gunner has to carry the spare barrel(s) and additional ammo (up to 1000 rounds). Radio Telephone Operator(s), usually two in a platoon carrying a 20 pound radio plus twice as mnay batteries that you'll think you'll need, First Aid bags for the Medic and the Combat Lifesaver.... all this load has to be split up.. now if you replace two or three of those men with women, that's additional weight the other 18 - 28 men have to carry.. on top of their own personal gear and rations..

Then if somebody gets hurt you have to get all of their gear AND carry him/her out too..

 

[thurley42]

I'm saying it can be done. There are many women who can and would jump at that opportunity.

And you are correct, yes, they have to go through all the AIT and Airborne training, just like the guys do, before even qualifying for Ranger school. But if they hold their own through all that, why wouldn't they continue to do so?

I doubt any "old-timers" would be going through all the training. It'd have to be some nubile 18 year old biytch who thinks boot camp is hoot and isn't scared of heights.

I bet you a quarter it'll happen without any lowering of standards.

Can I get in on that action??????

 

[dontknowwhy]

As for being a Ranger, I believe many women would excel at it. Forward observation is within any woman's wheelhouse.

Scouting - women do that every day looking for a sale. Ambushes - ever been married? Raids - ever have a mother? Women would excel as Rangers. Having interacted with many a crying snot blowing Alpha Company 1/75 Ranger for having to go without a meal for a few days and knowing women who intentionally starve themselves...

Yeah I'm making a joke, but it's true. There are many women who would fit very well within the Ranger mold.

Honestly, I think you've just raised some valid points here...& i've met enough women who are into weight training & power lifting to see that they can overcome the whole size/strength thing.

 

[itsbob]

I'm saying it can be done. There are many women who can and would jump at that opportunity.

And you are correct, yes, they have to go through all the AIT and Airborne training, just like the guys do, before even qualifying for Ranger school. But if they hold their own through all that, why wouldn't they continue to do so?

I doubt any "old-timers" would be going through all the training. It'd have to be some nubile 18 year old biytch who thinks boot camp is hoot and isn't scared of heights.

I bet you a quarter it'll happen without any lowering of standards.

Marines have already experimented with it, females attempting to get through the Marine Officers Infantry school.. I don't think a single one made it through the first 3 days.. let alone the first week.

It was a dismal failure but let's press on anyways for the sake of Political Correctness.. It just doesn't matter....

 

[migtig]

the problem's not going to be in the training, it's on the battlefield..

Going into combat a Ranger platoon has so many pounds of gear they have to carry.. Combat Load, Water, Body Armor, First Aid Supplies, Crew Served weapons and ammumition..

Now they break that load up between 20 - 30 men (for a platoon) and it works out to about 100 pounds per person.. maybe a little more.

Mortar tubes, base plates, mortar rounds to feed the pig, M60 or SAW MG with combat load of ammo (usually 500 rounds), and asst gunner has to carry the spare barrel(s) and additional ammo (up to 1000 rounds). Radio Telephone Operator(s), usually two in a platoon carrying a 20 pound radio plus twice as mnay batteries that you'll think you'll need, First Aid bags for the Medic and the Combat Lifesaver.... all this load has to be split up.. now if you replace two or three of those men with women, that's additional weight the other 18 - 28 men have to carry.. on top of their own personal gear and rations..

Then if somebody gets hurt you have to get all of their gear AND carry him/her out too..

Your prejudice is seriously showing. And honestly, for some reason I expected more out of you.

As a female medic, carrying a ruck, an A and 2 B bags, how much weight does that female soldier carry?

It's training. You train and your body adjusts and compensates.

Training - a woman carries her kid, a diaper bag, a purse, and her grocery shopping. How much weight is she carrying?

Change your perspective a bit.