IIRC there were several new articles published in the last 6 months - how A'Stan was burning out women at a much faster rate then men assigned to the same camps / duty
Girls to fight with men in the Rangers & Seals
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IIRC there were several new articles published in the last 6 months - how A'Stan was burning out women at a much faster rate then men assigned to the same camps / duty
ZARA
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We weren’t discussing if women can outperform men.
We were discussing if women can meet the physical requirements and if they can exceed the physical requirements to become a Seal / Ranger. BIG DIFFERENCE. Stay on topic here.
I chose powerlifting as my example because of the physical/endurance requirements.
So what you are saying is the fact that the women can perform toe to toe with men in the same class but different competition (which is gender bias) means nothing just because the leagues have not created a mixed competition.
We should run and tell all the women that since a mixed competition has not been created yet that they are not as good as men and can’t compete against a man because no one has told them that yet. (Slight sarcasm but said with a smile)
Oh wait…someone did tell the women they weren’t allowed to compete against men, which is why the women created their own competition with many of the same divisions as the men.
Tsk tsk.
So, tell me, what are the physical requirements to be a Seal / Ranger?
What is the required dead lift?
In the end seeing is believing for you. I can respect that. But ignoring facts of physical feats just because male/female competitions don’t current exist does not mean it is not possible. Not to mention it is extremely shortsighted of you and I honestly don’t think you are that shortsighted.
Regardless of your personal stance and skewed idea that just because the sexes do not compete against each other RIGHT NOW, the bottom line is (some) women are capable of it physically.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Not it's not, not at all..We weren’t discussing if women can outperform men.
We were discussing if women can meet the physical requirements and if they can exceed the physical requirements to become a Seal / Ranger. BIG DIFFERENCE. Stay on topic here.
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You have a platoon of Rangers operating ahead of the Front.. crap hits the fan, and you have to get the hell out of there..
Being a platoon, and being Rangers they are going to advance to the rear as fast as their slowest person..
If women in general can compete at the same level, then not a problem, she may be at middle of the pack.. but I would bet that 90% of the time they are going to have to put her in the lead and have her set the pace, and slow down their operations and endanger the entire platoon.
If they can't compete in any physical sport at the same level, they shouldn't be endangering others where lives are at stake.
Professional and Amateur sports point to the fact that women can't compete or can't keep up at the upper levels of physical activity, because if they could they would.. but they don't.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I think it's you with the skewed stance.
There are no laws, no rules in place to prevent women from competing one on one in any discipline..
They can try out for the NFL, play in the NBA, fight MMA or Box.. but they don't, because they CAN'T.. It's not for lack of trying, or lack of training, or lack of desire or mental toughness, they just can't.
It's their choice, and their lack of ability to perform at that level.
At that level it's all about money and winning. If women could do it, or do it better there is no doubt some team would have done it already, if for nothing else the increased ticket sales, and extra profit..
If they were capable, they would, I have NO doubt.
ZARA
Registered User
We will both sit back and see what happens
. Things are moving forward a lot faster than anticipated. I just hope (as someone has previously mentioned) the military doesn't screw itself by lowering standards for the sole purpose of accommodating women. I agree whole heartedly with the thought that if she can’t meet the same requirements that the men have to meet currently, she has no business there.
Israel has allowed women in to infantry, artillery, and anti-aircraft combat units for some time but they do not allow them into their elite special ops units. Given their experience with combat you can bet it is for a very specific reason.
And Zara while there are many admirable women in the weight lifting world have you looked at the record weights between the men and women of the same weight classes? There are significant differences.
Men's Raw American Records | Powerlifting Watch
Women's Raw American Records | Powerlifting Watch
And Zara while there are many admirable women in the weight lifting world have you looked at the record weights between the men and women of the same weight classes? There are significant differences.
Men's Raw American Records | Powerlifting Watch
Women's Raw American Records | Powerlifting Watch
ZARA
Registered User
Not such a huge spread if you look internationally- World Wide.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Buy you a steak (rare)...
kwillia
n/a
I'd say you could treat me to Japanese grill at the one opening in Leonardtown but I swear if you order sushi and are sitting next to me I'm grabbing that shiat off your plate and throwing it on the grill until it's properly cooked.
What where men are men and so are the women?
ZARA
Registered User
glhs837
Power with Control
One thing that might be instructive here is to look at your special ops guys. Not a lot of ripped bodybuilder types, Fit and in great shape, stamina wise yes, but not superhuman strength, generally speaking. What makes them special is the will to push themselves to the limits, mentally and physically. Are there very many women who exhibit that will and the level of stamina required? Not many, I say, and those who have both of those and want to be spec ops, far fewer.
But they do exist, and they will join the units, and they will do fine. As long they make them meet the standards, and resist the forces that will insist that the women get a break, and the inevitable dries that applicants were cut for sexist reasons.
I am reminded of two women in two different ordnance shops I was in. One was a corn fed type from Iowa, close to six feet tall, and not willowy. The other was maybe 5'7", and slender, but not skinny. Given my choice of which one to help me lift my end of a 500lb bomb, the smaller of the two was my choice. Her focus and will was greater, letting her put more effective power out. The larger woman simply wanted to get it over with, and it showed.
But they do exist, and they will join the units, and they will do fine. As long they make them meet the standards, and resist the forces that will insist that the women get a break, and the inevitable dries that applicants were cut for sexist reasons.
I am reminded of two women in two different ordnance shops I was in. One was a corn fed type from Iowa, close to six feet tall, and not willowy. The other was maybe 5'7", and slender, but not skinny. Given my choice of which one to help me lift my end of a 500lb bomb, the smaller of the two was my choice. Her focus and will was greater, letting her put more effective power out. The larger woman simply wanted to get it over with, and it showed.