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Spaz
Girls to fight with men in the Rangers & Seals
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Spaz
I was in the Navy. I knew exactly what I was doing when I signed up, esp.with an Air Force dad and my brother in the Navy. I know that I would not make a good SEAL, never mind 99% of the MEN I worked with. A lot of people can make into the military, but to make it to SEALs is something most military folk or at least the ones I worked with have no interest. One man I worked with made it through to hell week (day 2 if I remember correctly). I remember he saying he would have wanted to tried again, but he knew mentally it was not for him, never mind physically and he was pretty fit. It would be cool to say he was a SEAL, but I remember he was saying what can you do with SEAL training after the Navy?! As alot if those guys don't work in their field f/t.
other words, I don't see a bunch of women signing up just they can. Just like I don't see a bunch of men Signing up for SEALs now because they can.
BOP
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Yes, but its whiskers kept poking me.
Well, that, and they try to bite you. Plus, their breath stinks. :fishbreath:
BOP
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preselector
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As you say, no problem if they don't lower the standards.
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
Really? Than why do we have separate professional leagues for every sport?
If what you say is true they would be in the NFL, NBA, MLB and the NHL. Where are all these women that can compete and could earn the 100s of millions of dollars the men do?
acommondisaster
Active Member
It's all smoke and mirrors until women are required to register for the draft.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No, you can't. Under your premise, why do we suppose women couldn't vote until men gave it to them? Why was, and is, the world a male dominated enterprise? Because the rule book prohibited women from competing?
The only delicate sensibilities we are talking about is this sissified quest for equality in all things. Go live in an Islamic country and see how far you get competing with men. Go try it in Russia. China. South America.
The ONLY places we see women in strong positions is where men give them, yes, GIVE them greater rights. Itsbob mentions sports. Forget that. Try the real world where violence and force and strength and brutality are the rule. Not Title IX.
We are better for it. We are better for revering our women. We are better for our instinct to protect the women and children. We are better for seeing our men as expendable in the pursuit of beating other cultures, in the fight to create a better, safer world for OUR kids, for OUR women.
One of the reasons we recoil at the horror of sending our women out to do a mans job is because fighting IS A MANS job. I have a step son. I have daughter. I've been a male my whole life. With sisters. And a mom. Sending ANY woman into combat over most men is, by definition, sending someone out there to live in the filth and the strain and the abuse and to, ultimately, come to grips with the enemy, who is LESS suited to the job.
Can we find a woman are two who can make it through BUDs? I say no to begin with. The premise is absurd. More to the point I say "WHY???"
We are losing our cultural values in this nation and it's not because of gays or blacks or immigrants. It is because we stopped pursuing equal opportunity and started pursuing equal outcome. It is the foolish belief that anyone can be anything they aspire to be. That bad signers can be the Voice. That short people can dominate in the NBA. That a moderately intelligent person can be a rocket scientist or top banker or engineer. And, yes, that women can do anything men can do.
A bad singer can make a career in entertainment if they are strong in other areas, more determined. Happens all the time. A Spud Webb or a Mugsy Bouges can make a nice little career in the NBA but, they never dominate. Slow guys don't win the 100 yard dash. A moron can run an organization if the organization is strong enough. It happens but, it's not something we go around changing the rules to accommodate.
You wanna talk about the real question? Well, here it is. A man on the battlefield has a chance. He comes to grips with the enemy, out of ammo, he physically has about a 50/50 chance to beat the other guy to death be it with his rifle, his helmet, his knife, his shovel, his bare hands. We can train him to have better odds. You put a woman in the same spot in a stylish desire to rewrite all of world history and see if we can get a different outcome, the only chance she has is luck.
I don't get it. Women have all these amazing characteristics, things you are better than us at. Where does this sense come from that you MUST be equal to us in all things while at the same time being superior in things we suck at? Especially when we are talking about the most base, most brutal, most dreadful thing we do, kill?
Everyone who has piped up in this conversation has said the same thing; try Ranger school on an equal OPPORTUNITY? Sure. Have at it. We can replay world history and come to the inevitable same conclusion biology long, long ago wrote. But, why?
Is there really a single woman on the planet who is going to be a help in this clip, be better than any of these guys, 2/3's of which ain't gonna make it? Really?
ZARA
Registered User
Humans are the same in possible abilities, dexterity, stamina, strength. To say one cannot do it because of gender is groundless when there are plenty that have proven they can. The true test will be IF the ones that can, even try.
Women are no less able than men. No less viscous, ruthless, conniving, manipulative and women have been used as assets by Gov'ts for many many many years and not only our gov't but others as well.
Just because you have not witnessed a woman complete the feats you see as impossible for them, does not mean it has not happened. The reason there are gender divisions is because of people’s delicate sensibilities. In the end, the ONLY thing that will ever hold anyone back is themselves.
If you want it, work for it. Work hard for it. Bleed for it. Be willing to die for it. And if you are not, then apparently you do not want it that bad and you shouldn’t be there.
People are taught the women are the weaker sex, which is bullsh. Torture…yes (some) women can handle it.
The question is can they handle it mentally. Not many women are capable of turning their emotions off. That takes either practice or extreme circumstances and then will they be able to turn them back on? It’s hard to start feeling again after you have been numb for so long. And then the backlash of emotions that assault you once you do start feeling again…that’s enough to drive a person insane in and of itself.
They MUST have the innate fighting spirit. They must be born with it or they won’t make it. There must be a deep seeded ball of anger and hatred inside that person before they reach adulthood. They must be able to turn their fear into anger, use it as a shield, and then focus it on their goal. Most women do not know how to do this because they had not suffered extreme physical and mental anguish before. They do not have the mental conditioning to handle it. THAT is the real problem.
Women are no less able than men. No less viscous, ruthless, conniving, manipulative and women have been used as assets by Gov'ts for many many many years and not only our gov't but others as well.
Just because you have not witnessed a woman complete the feats you see as impossible for them, does not mean it has not happened. The reason there are gender divisions is because of people’s delicate sensibilities. In the end, the ONLY thing that will ever hold anyone back is themselves.
If you want it, work for it. Work hard for it. Bleed for it. Be willing to die for it. And if you are not, then apparently you do not want it that bad and you shouldn’t be there.
People are taught the women are the weaker sex, which is bullsh. Torture…yes (some) women can handle it.
The question is can they handle it mentally. Not many women are capable of turning their emotions off. That takes either practice or extreme circumstances and then will they be able to turn them back on? It’s hard to start feeling again after you have been numb for so long. And then the backlash of emotions that assault you once you do start feeling again…that’s enough to drive a person insane in and of itself.
They MUST have the innate fighting spirit. They must be born with it or they won’t make it. There must be a deep seeded ball of anger and hatred inside that person before they reach adulthood. They must be able to turn their fear into anger, use it as a shield, and then focus it on their goal. Most women do not know how to do this because they had not suffered extreme physical and mental anguish before. They do not have the mental conditioning to handle it. THAT is the real problem.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Woman CAN do it. However, they physically become destroyed sooner than men. A woman CAN help with that log. For a time. She WILL fail sooner than above average male. She WILL last longer than an average or weaker guy.
There is nothing hard about this. It is not about intelligence, courage or will. It is about physiology.
Period.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Physiologically, yes, they are. Long before any sensibilities came into the equation, that was settled. In places absent our sensibilities, it is still physiological fact.
Would it be easier to swallow if we simply said women are far too smart to want to be a Ranger?
I don't mind mowing the lawn or pumping the gas. Not my fave things to do, but I am perfectly capable of doing it. But I do know that when I say to my women coworkers that I mow the lawn (knowing I am married), they say, "Your husband does not do that?" Or one time one of my male coworkers saw me pumping gas and saw my husband in the car and stated "Your husband does not pump the gas?" I told him I was driving and it is just assumed if I drive and I need gas I pump and vice versa.
My point being is that some men (and women) are raised to believe that women are to be coddled (or be the weaker sex) and are not capable of mowing the lawn or pumping the gas, never mind doing other things.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Woman CAN do it. However, they physically become destroyed sooner than men. A woman CAN help with that log. For a time. She WILL fail sooner than above average male. She WILL last longer than an average or weaker guy.
There is nothing hard about this. It is not about intelligence, courage or will. It is about physiology.
Period.
You just HAD to bring the Period into the conversation didn't you!
Misfit
Lawful neutral
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lol.
withrespect
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donbarzini
Well-Known Member
Yes, but its whiskers kept poking me.
Then you were at the wrong end dummy!
ZARA
Registered User
Interesting choice of words. Where is your data to back up these statements? Just because someone says it is fact, does not make it fact.
1. What are the age ranges?
2. Were the diets comparable?
3. Was the physical training comparable?
4. Were the medical conditions comparable?
5. Were the women on birth control?
How many Rangers/Seal remain in active physical combat conditions past the age of 50?
Now this is a scientific study directly focused on your topic. If you read the data you will note that yes, the rate of decline is greater. I will give you that. However, you will also note that the rate of decline is so MINISCULE that in the grand scheme of things…it does not matter.
The weightlifting rate of decline for women was -0.99 and men it was -0.96, a difference of 0.03. The powerlifting rate of decline for women was -0.98 and men it was -0.99, a difference of 0.02. So this tells me that where a man fails a woman can pick up the slack and where a woman fails the man picks up the slack and still keeps the overall balance of complimenting one another. As it should be.
Age-Related Declines in Anaerobic Muscular Performance: Weightlifting and Powerlifting
Considering body mass differences, who are the world’s strongest women?
http://www.setantacollege.com/wp-co...nces, who are the world's strongest women.pdf
Age-Related Declines in Anaerobic Muscular Performance: Weightlifting and Powerlifting
http://www.setantacollege.com/wp-co...ge-Related Declines in Anaerobic Muscular.pdf
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ORSINI Antonietta
http://goodlift.info/lifter.php?lid=791
She hit her physical peak at 46.
GEMALETDINOVA Olga
http://goodlift.info/lifter.php?lid=3987
Current physical peak is age 25. She is only 27 right now.
VAN DER MEULEN Brenda
http://goodlift.info/lifter.php?lid=838
She hit her physical peak at 31 in the 90 kg weight class.
BIALEK Magdalena
http://goodlift.info/lifter.php?lid=5001
22 years old and has remained in the top 3 since 2010.
STRIK Ielja
http://goodlift.info/lifter.php?lid=812
Currently 40 yrs old and still kicking ass.
At 81 years old....
http://goodlift.info/lifter.php?lid=6019
itsbob
I bowl overhand
But are they winning competing against men, or are they winning competing against other women?
Your argument holds no weight until you can compare world class athletes that compete and win at the same level as their opposite sex counterparts.
I don't believe you'll find one single event where women at that level outperform their male counterparts.
Running, weightlifting, swimming, other track and field events..
Look at the Olympics, and tell me where the woman gold medal winner in any 'physical' event would have placed on the podium if she had competed against the men?
that is only one ......
Rhonda Cornum
MELISSA RATHBUN-NEALY
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currently we are fighting Islamist ... that behead Christan's and feed them to dogs ... do we really want to add women to the mix